The move that inspired Hotta Yumi the most?

Elom0 · Post by **Elom0** » Sat May 13, 2023 8:22 am

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'Move 7 is famous Shusaku's kosumi, which, Shusaku said, would not be a bad move no matter how Go theories develop'

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sun May 14, 2023 2:06 pm

What makes you form that opinion?

Elom0 · Post by **Elom0** » Sun May 14, 2023 2:26 pm

Because of 黒7, in the early episode where the class teacher says that the suggestion by Sai through Hikaru has become less popular due to komi, however it's still an exquisite move. This is the Shusaku's diagonal Sai suggested after all!

gowan · Post by **gowan** » Tue May 16, 2023 9:56 am

As mentioned above, the giving of komi made the Shusaku kosumi appear slow so it lost a lot of favor in professional play, though it was still played occasionally. Interestingly, it seems that the Shusaku kosumi has been rehabilitated by the superhuman AI go programs.

kvasir · Post by **kvasir** » Tue May 16, 2023 2:32 pm

When I run 1000000 playouts on the position before the Shusaku kosumi with Japanese rules and 6.5 komi then the kosumi is quickly identified as the best move. Many moves are very good in this position but I didn't see the computer put them ahead of the kosumi except for a few brief moments. After 1000000 playouts the predicted variation is a bit wild. Take note of the second corner kosumi which in this case is also the top policy move.

gowan · Post by **gowan** » Sat May 20, 2023 4:43 pm

For what it is worth, Iyama played a Shusaku kosumi in the first game of the current Honinbo title match.

kvasir · Post by **kvasir** » Sun May 21, 2023 2:12 pm

Is it Shusaku kosumi like this?

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It didn't do Iyama any good this time, the Iyama group looked like an overwatered pandan somehow

gowan · Post by **gowan** » Sun May 21, 2023 6:41 pm

Yes, that is it.

Elom0 · Post by **Elom0** » Mon May 22, 2023 8:03 am

White to play

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'White 1 makes me speechless. I cannot even describe this move' Cho Hyeyeon 9p, former Korea Women's number 1

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Mon May 22, 2023 9:08 am

Kosumi?

Elom0 · Post by **Elom0** » Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:54 am

Answer

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'White 1 makes me speechless. I cannot even describe this move. Please pay attention to Shuko sensei's intuition. (White 9)' Cho Hyeyeon 9p, former Korea Women's number 1

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'white 4 is a capital move. Then look at the capping move (W6)!' Cho Hyeyeon 9p, former Korea Women's number 1

I wonder what AI thinks of Fujisawa Hideyuki's opening intuition?

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