Gote move vs sente move in yose

[RobertJasiek]

The same. What you are trying to show for this one example can be done by informal guesswork, which so far does not convince me at all, or by formal maths, which might convince me if done well.

As long as you do not state your method clearly and, in application, mix informal / formal and conjecture / "proof", chances are low that I understand and become convinced.

Besides, stop pretending it would be just an example while you use general parameters and relations.

[Gérard TAILLE]

The same. What you are trying to show for this one example can be done by informal guesswork, which so far does not convince me at all, or by formal maths, which might convince me if done well.

As long as you do not state your method clearly and, in application, mix informal / formal and conjecture / "proof", chances are low that I understand and become convinced.

Besides, stop pretending it would be just an example while you use general parameters and relations.

No Robert I can only propose to apply my method on some examples for a very simple reason : though my method is quite clear in my head I never wrote it formely on paper and, as you know perfectly, this work would be a hard job I do not wish to do.
In this context, if you are not interested in the way I compare various options you can just ignore it OC and let other readers understand how I proceed.

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BTW, using your own method, can you show us how do you compare black options "a" and "b"? With what result?

[RobertJasiek]

See earlier in this thread.

[Gérard TAILLE]

See earlier in this thread.

I am not quite sure but you seem to say that the position is gote => option "a" is better than option "b".
I do not know your method, you do not know mine but ... same result !

[RobertJasiek]

A name of a local endgame indicates what is usually - not always - correct.

[Gérard TAILLE]

A name of a local endgame indicates what is usually - not always - correct.

not always???
Do you have an example exception?

[RobertJasiek]

Sure. You know where to find them.

[Gérard TAILLE]

Sure. You know where to find them.

???
Can you point the corresponding post Robert? As soon as you really named a local endgame then I do not remember a position for which the name of this local endgame does not indicate what is usually correct.

[RobertJasiek]

See [34]. https://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8765

"It can be correct to start locally with the gote option in a local sente (Example 7) or to start locally with the sente option in a local gote (Example 8). [...]"

I give you hints for reconstruction of a local position of my prominent shape class: Example 7 has T = T1 = 3.5. Example 8 has T = 5.5 and T1 = 4.

Of course, there is more fun, this time for one player's follow-up during the late endgame (my other example for the early endgame looks like one for the late endgame):

"Example 14 [...] A mandatory local start despite a high temperature T > F is unusual."

Hint for reconstruction: MSENTE = 10, follow-up move value F = 10.5.

[Gérard TAILLE]

See [34]. https://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8765

"It can be correct to start locally with the gote option in a local sente (Example 7) or to start locally with the sente option in a local gote (Example 8). [...]"

I give you hints for reconstruction of a local position of my prominent shape class: Example 7 has T = T1 = 3.5. Example 8 has T = 5.5 and T1 = 4.

Of course, there is more fun, this time for one player's follow-up during the late endgame (my other example for the early endgame looks like one for the late endgame):

"Example 14 [...] A mandatory local start despite a high temperature T > F is unusual."

Hint for reconstruction: MSENTE = 10, follow-up move value F = 10.5.

As was just asking for a position not for a reference to books I do not have.

[RobertJasiek]

As was just asking for a position not for a reference to books I do not have.

You are always just asking for a tiny bit more from the same sources, but there are limits to which I share of what took me three manyears to create. I do not copy and paste all of them. If you ignore the sources, reinvent the remaining parts by yourself!