Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:29 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:49 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:21 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:50 pm

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I thought about a few options here, which I've labeled a-d below:

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I'll skip "a" for now, since that's the one I ended up choosing.

b.) I think that "b" seems to be a move that works OK with the shape of the two space extension on the bottom. However, in this case, it doesn't even really protect the shape, because white can play "x" in the diagram. So it doesn't accomplish that well. It also doesn't put that much pressure on the marked white stones. Still, it seemed worthy of consideration.

c.) I feel like playing a move like "c" if I want to make myself live on the bottom. I think that it works OK as a forcing move, and I can make eyespace that way. However, it might be a little "aji keshi", since there are really only four white stones there. Also, it does nothing to split white like "a" and "b" do.

d.) I feel like playing "d" a bit to help the corner. However, it doesn't do this completely, and when white responds at "y" or "z" in the diagram, my two space extension is damaged. I think I should wait until my stones are stronger before playing a move like this. After they are strong, then I can go with it.

Now for our all-star move:
A.) I ended up choosing "a". That's because it works better to keep white separated. I expect white to jump out again:

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I'm all for this, though, because I can continue to make territory on the left. My group still shouldn't die. Maybe it'll be something like this:

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, above, might be a bit "aji keshi", but I'll take it in exchange for more side territory.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:25 pm

I thought about it some more, and I might just jump out at H7 if white jumps out, again. I don't really want to get sealed in like my last diagram showed. I think I like this scenario better:

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The reason I didn't like :w3:

, above, is because black would get sealed in in the bottom left. But at the same time, I don't want to get sealed in on the bottom, either! Let's break out of here. Furthermore, white has the cutting point of "a".

Added to that, the marked white stones might become weak in the future.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:07 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:21 am

i am satisfied with bleow variation.
although black gain some potental points on both side this will give me solid ground for some serious catchup.

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i will be satisfied with below also. i still have point 'a' to attack and drown one lonely stone in the middle.

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:02 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:14 am

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:18 am

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Some notes:
I have gained points on both sides.
He has not gotten any immediate points, really. Be build up some strength, but since I have split him, this strength is pretty low.
I do not have any very weak groups.
He still has a cutting point at "a" in the diagram below.

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Conclusion: I am still pretty far ahead.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:21 am

For Magicwand:

k1ndofblue · Post by **k1ndofblue** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:08 am

Not for Players

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:15 am

I forgot about the suspense of the hidden comments...

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:34 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:44 am

Chew Terr wrote:For Magicwand:
You said earlier that some of Kirby's moves were kind of passive so far. If I may ask, which moves would you say were passive? (I was going to ask where you would recommend them instead, but perhaps I should just try to find alternative moves myself). Are you referring to his one-space jumps up the right side? Good luck with the game!

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