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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #181 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:58 am 
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Chew, in your trigger from above, you chose k17 for :b3:. The situation now is slightly different, but I'm curious as to why you chose to draw back a bit on your extension at the top.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #182 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:13 pm 
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A couple of things... first, confidence. I was feeling more confident at the time, I believe.

Second, my opponent's group is much stronger now, so I was playing this move expecting him to want to invade the jump eventually.

Third, I was debating playing this stone high, which may have been a better option, as it would have made it harder for MHO to cut me off, as he did here.

As far as my next move, I'm going to have to look into this some more.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #183 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O . . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, I definitely wish I had played my previous move one higher, it would have made it harder for my opponent to cut me off.

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . B a W . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O . . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I strongly considered this marked move, to try to connect underneath (I thought it was a good forcing move at first), but the more I looked at it, the more I realized that if white responded at 'a', I was just making him stronger. I hope to threaten to connect to my southern stones to help me connect, but I feel like any connection attempt should start here (as I'm cut off if white gets to play here).

As an aside, I looked back in this game 10-20 moves, and decided I'm really not happy with the results of my responses to white's approach. I'll try to look back and read what alternatives I had, but I'd appreciate any thoughts on these last dozen moves.

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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #184 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O . . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Bad shape, but I think it works here
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #185 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O . . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, if I'm going to MacGuyver here, I'm going to need all of the helping stones I can get. This one, of course, threatens to connect the middle stones to my safe group below.

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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #186 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O W . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #187 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:32 am 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X B . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I debated this or one space lower. I choose this because it is better connected and stronger, even though I would get a followup atari from the other option.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #188 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:43 am 
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Black's last move may aid in living, but it takes away the possibility of attacking the marked stones in the future, since white will probably connect:

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . W W . O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . W X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There is "aji" here. For example:
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . 3 . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 2 4 . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O 1 O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . 5 6 . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . 7 O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It probably won't work right now that well since black has some aji, too, but still, there is future aji if white doesn't connect. So it might be worthwhile to analyze the situation and see if a definite plan can be formed.

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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #189 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O W O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was dreading a black play here. This black move is horrible aji keshi, I don't think black can win now

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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . 3 . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 2 4 . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X 6 O O 1 O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O 8 7 5 . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Afraid of this. So much aji!
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #190 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:22 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . B X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X 7 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . 6 2 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . 4 X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O W O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now that I have strength above and below in the middle, I think I can push through here. I think I can be forced to lose some things, but I think I can connect what I need. Perhaps I should have pushed and cut instead of peeping, but this looked like a more solid way to get the result I wanted: connecting through. Not going to give up yet.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #191 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . X X W . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #192 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Forced. This is scary.

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Post #193 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . W O O X B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #194 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . . B X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Cue the Doors song... "...break on through to the other side..." Either I will barely break throughk, or I will be taught a new tesuji the hard way. Regardless, I think I understand now how much better my other option would have been, instead of peeping.

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Post #195 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . W X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #196 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:23 am 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #197 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:34 am 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . W . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #198 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . W . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . b . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . W . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . c d . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . a . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered all sorts of stuff from a-d, but this seems to me to be my best option. If my opponent captures those four stones, I THINK he will be forcing me to connect and pushing me into his territory below. After this section, I am definitely going to have to stop to count, and consider my options based on that.

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Post #199 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . W O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . B . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . W . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

of all the next moves, i feared this one most.
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #200 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Captures: B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . O . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O X . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . O B X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . . . . O O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X . . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O X X . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X . O O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . O . . X X X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X O X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oh, I forgot that one. I did consider that, but decided to hold it for later, lest you try to push into my corner area. Would you mind showing me the sort of followup that scared you? I figured you would block solidly and I would be hurting my efforts to connect below.

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