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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #41 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since white has no stones on the top, I feel comfortable with this response here. I hope to get sente, but he might just atari me and move on.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #42 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:54 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #43 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:59 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As I pointed out before, there's aji around "a":
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O a . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I can't think of a way to exploit it right now. Since I can't think of a good way to make his groups on the left that weak, I want to weaken his group on the bottom right. Capping should limit the group's central influence.

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Offline Solomon
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Post #44 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . # . . O . X . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The marked moves Black played are interesting. Not pertaining to the game situation but in general, too often people don't know which is appropriate given the situation that they're in; e.g:

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[go]$$Bc 'a' or 'b', that is the question.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

I think many people just follow a general rule of thumb where if they feel weak in the area, the bottom left move in the first diagram ( :bs: ) is more appropriate and would play 'a' here, and if they feel strong then :bc: is more appropriate, or 'b' here. For a while I just played 'a', mostly because it was safe, simple, and I didn't have to worry about bad corner aji. Also, 'b' just seemed crude and seemed to unnecessarily strengthen White.

However, countsheep spent a few minutes over this in one of his 10-minute Go videos which shows that the corner isn't so scary and that 'b' can be effective, while 'a' can be inefficient even in a situation where Black is outnumbered:



It's only in the first 3 minutes or so, but I found it insightful. Since then I've found 'b' much easier to play and no longer unnecessarily worry about the corner, trusting my reading instead.

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Offline yoyoma
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Post #45 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:38 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
i hope he move that stone.

Kirby wrote:
Hmmm. He didn't play as expected. However, as Magicwand said before, "One stone is aji". Therefore, I will play at the point that I previously thought was good for white and get more points. There is still aji around where I was going to cut before (although cutting now is not a good idea).


I've lost so many games by reflexively jumping out with a single stone when my opponent pincers it!
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #46 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:40 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 9 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
ok..that was kinda painful.. but i had no way to avoid his attack
i think this peep is a perfect timing. i am not sure what advantage this gives me but later he will not answer the peep but i think he will answer now.
i will endure his attack and wait for my chance.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #47 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:52 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X 0 . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read through a few variations... I don't know exactly what he's up to. I think it's safe for me to play here, though.

Some of his responses that I've been thinking about (a through d, below):
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . b . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . a O c d . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X B . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kerby
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Post #48 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:18 pm 
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Welcome back! My bets are on you this game. Keep up the high spirits and show no fear! MW thrives on fear.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #49 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:24 pm 
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Kerby wrote:
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Welcome back! My bets are on you this game. Keep up the high spirits and show no fear! MW thrives on fear.


He's going down! Let's go 4 stones!

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Offline yoyoma
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Post #50 Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:46 pm 
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Black's Move 28:
Kirby wrote:
I want to weaken his group on the bottom right. Capping should limit the group's central influence.


White plays a "forcing" move

Black's next move:
Kirby wrote:
I think it's safe for me to play here, though.


What about ignoring and continuing the attack? Maybe K5? Anyways it's hard to say the Black move is bad, hard to say if K5 is any good in any case. Just pointing out how it feels to me like Black is automatically answering White here.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #51 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:05 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 1 . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think he answered correctly. not 100% sure though.

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Post #52 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:34 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 2 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a little passive, but I need to be stronger before attacking more severely.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #53 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:48 am 
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yoyoma wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i hope he move that stone.

Kirby wrote:
Hmmm. He didn't play as expected. However, as Magicwand said before, "One stone is aji". Therefore, I will play at the point that I previously thought was good for white and get more points. There is still aji around where I was going to cut before (although cutting now is not a good idea).


I've lost so many games by reflexively jumping out with a single stone when my opponent pincers it!

Yeah, I tend to do the opposite, and lose by sacrificing pincered stones too readily. Maybe someday I'll be high enough rank to get to play you in a tournament, and we'll have an amusing battle of incorrect pincer responses. =D


Araban:
Thanks for posting that video. I'd seen it before, but forgotten it, so it helped for me to see it again.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #54 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:02 am 
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Kirby's last looks like a mistake to me. He should be avoiding small fights that disapate the pressure, and keeping himself connected.

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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #55 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:19 am 
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To Kirby:
Why not just connect solidly? It seems like that not only has less aji, but aims at the weakness in White's left a little more.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #56 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:24 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O X X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i am thinking he is rattled by my attack. i will try to rattle him more by playing unorthadox move myself.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #57 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:07 am 
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Aphelion wrote:
To Kirby:
Why not just connect solidly? It seems like that not only has less aji, but aims at the weakness in White's left a little more.



Connect at which spot? I don't see that I can guarantee a connection by connecting solidly at either place:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 3 2 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 4 X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 9 O 7 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 6 5 3 2 O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 O 4 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, with the move in the game, white cannot cut without losing his group himself:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 3 2 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 4 X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 4 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 5 3 2 O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The move in game seems much safer for keeping my stones connected.

Maybe I overlooked something in one of the first two diagrams of this post, but they both seem risky to black imo.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #58 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:31 am 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've been criticized for bad peeps in the past, but I think this one helps me more than him.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #59 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:36 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X B . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I kind of like the push and cut. It seems like it has potential to be annoying to white. Is it too small?

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #60 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:42 am 
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I think it's too small. White only needs that one stone if he's trying to kill Black, but right now, white is weaker in the area. So it's a move you only want to play if it's absolutely necessary to secure the life of the black group. I haven't done any serious reading, but I don't think that's the case.

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