66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:23 am

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Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:34 am

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:21 pm

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I considered all sorts of stuff from a-d, but this seems to me to be my best option. If my opponent captures those four stones, I THINK he will be forcing me to connect and pushing me into his territory below. After this section, I am definitely going to have to stop to count, and consider my options based on that.

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:11 pm

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:20 pm

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Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:35 pm

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:03 am

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Yes, Admiral Ackbar, we KNOW there is a trap here. (Good move, by the way, Shaddy).

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He can cut, and threaten to kill.

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I can try to be tricky and still connect?

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But white can (and would) shut me down, and take the whole thing. (What a jerk!) So, let's look further back, to find alternatives.

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No good.

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I hate to say it, but this is the best I see myself getting.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:09 am

Isn't White about 20 points ahead now? Am I missing something ?

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:13 am

I'd keep trying as black on this board.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:16 am

topazg wrote:Isn't White about 20 points ahead now? Am I missing something ?

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. I wanted to finish this fight, then count, since I couldn't tell for sure what I would get out of the fight. Afterwards, I was going to count and decide whether or not to resign. Since it seems like I won't be able to connect west, I'll give a specific count later today, but first I really need to get some work done.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:56 am

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q=15 points
r=2

j=8

B: 10+64+15+2+6=97
W: 120

Topazg, you're right, white's beating me by 20, by my best estimation. Kirby, do you have any suggestions for anywhere I could try to dig some additional points? I figure my opponent won't let me connect anything, and trying to live inside would be ridiculous.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:10 am

I think white is ahead, but you don't know how your opponent will react to what you are doing right now (eg. will he give up those stones).

The middle area seems kind of thin, so I wonder if there's something around there.

Black is probably not in good shape to win, but I would at least finish what you are doing before resigning. Maybe I just don't resign as soon as some people do.

There's also the fact that this is supposed to be a game for learning. So I guess you can decide if you are still learning stuff.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:08 am

I know what I'd try that would be worth ~7 or 8 points, that keeps things close enough for me

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:13 am

And I did forget reverse komi. I don't think it's possible to come back, but I'd like to play a bit longer for endgame practice, if that's okay with you, Shaddy? After the game, I'll probably try to make an SGF like I did with Fwiffo.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:16 am

As a sidenote, I have to say that I love Shaddy's avatar. It cracks me up every time I see it. I almost want to steal it, but that wouldn't be cool...

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