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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #81 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:57 pm 
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What do I do with that? Hmmm....

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Offline Horibe
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Post #82 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:33 am 
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Kirby wrote:
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I don't plan on keeping this stone, necessarily, but I think it will be useful in the future.


[quote]Can anyone strong comment on this move and this plan?

I can certainly see that this is a cutting stone. However, at this point, is it really cutting weak groups - or at least anything more immediately weak than anything else.

To me it seems White has maintained a lot of flexibility and I do not believe he would have taken the stone with his next move.

Kirby is right, having the stone might be useful in the future, but by adding the stone he seems to be making a commitment that his comment suggests he does not really mean to make.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #83 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:33 am 
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Kirby wrote:
Does anybody else that's done Malkovich games wish that the pace was faster?


For Kirby:
Yes, indeed. It seems like it take forever sometimes. :D
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Offline Kirby
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Post #84 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:11 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, honestly, I don't really know where to play. His move seems very weird to me. It might be good for white, but I can't even tell. I thought about tenuki-ing completely. But I think I should play a bit more in this area. I want to get sente, and then tenuki.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #85 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:19 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #86 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:24 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . . . 8 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #87 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:35 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 9 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at least the stone in the middle is useless now..

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Offline Kirby
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Post #88 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:04 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . . 0 X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline zinger
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Post #89 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:41 pm 
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It seems really bad to strike at the waist of the knight move, but then not cut.

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #90 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:44 pm 
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Yes, my question about these past three moves, especially the last one of Kirby's has been "are they aji keshi, or was there even aji there to begin with?"

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #91 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:09 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 1 . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
the game is getting intresting... now the focus is in the middle and i think for the first time in the game my position is actually stronger than his.

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Feel pretty good about this...

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #93 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:22 pm 
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I was originally going to just ask Kirby this, but I realized I would like to hear the answer from both of you (please answer in hide tags, of course):
This fight has gotten really complicated. Would you mind giving a brief explanation of what general goal you're hoping/trying to accomplish?

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #94 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:41 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

chew:
i have no idea what is going on..i am trying everything to make it more complicated. i feel i saved all but right peeped stone so i am satisfied.
if i overplay too much and get attacked then game will be over after first fight. i am trying mybest to maintain the balance for now.

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Post #95 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:15 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O 4 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



@Chew:
Actually, I don't have a big global plan right now. I am just doing local reading in various areas, and I'm having fun pushing him around a little bit.

Even if I lose this game, I feel like I've been in control here, so that makes me happy.

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Offline mitsun
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Post #96 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:36 pm 
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Going back a few moves, B should be aware of a possible tesuji in this shape. It is not always good (depending on ko threats), but when it works it can be very effective, and it certainly is satisfying to play :) I will leave it for others to decide whether it would have been good in this game.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 2 O 4 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 3 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . . . 5 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #97 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:43 pm 
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Looks better than game to me.

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Post #98 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:58 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #99 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:22 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #100 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:36 pm 
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sorry, i anm drynk amd i cannot poswt.... bood bye



Hahaha, this is the best post I've seen on the malkovich forums in a while. It is the first time I've seen someone that could truthfully be drunk AND typing on the internet.


If Kirby wants this edited out, please feel free to ask.

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