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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #101 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:40 pm 
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i guess it is good time for me to get druk also :mrgreen:

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Offline Kirby
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Post #102 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:04 am 
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Post #103 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:05 am 
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Offline Harleqin
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Post #104 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:10 am 
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White's last move surely looks drunk to me.

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Post #105 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:07 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 6 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry about that... I'm a little embarrassed, but I guess there's nothing I can do about it now.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #106 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:22 am 
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Kirby wrote:
...I'm a little embarrassed, but I guess there's nothing I can do about it now.


Yes there is. You can resolve to let it never happen again. Repeat after me: "I will never let my cutting stones be captured. I will never let my cutting stones be captured..."

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Offline Dusk Eagle
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Post #107 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:23 am 
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Why is either side fighting over these white stones? They were only six points before the last move by white, and they still seem small and unvaluable to me.

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Offline nagano
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Post #108 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:39 am 
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Dusk Eagle wrote:
Why is either side fighting over these white stones? They were only six points before the last move by white, and they still seem small and unvaluable to me.
Magicwand hopes he can cut at k8 later.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #109 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:44 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Kirby wrote:
...I'm a little embarrassed, but I guess there's nothing I can do about it now.


Yes there is. You can resolve to let it never happen again. Repeat after me: "I will never let my cutting stones be captured. I will never let my cutting stones be captured..."


I figured they already served the purpose of preventing the cut, and that it would be hard to save the stones. I could be wrong, though.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #110 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:23 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #111 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:29 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 8 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess this is consistent with my last move, at least.

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #112 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:32 pm 
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White has to cut now, right? Letting B connect is really bad, and I don't think B has any terrible move to use against the floating white stones. B will get the turn and not suffer terribly, but I don't think he's benefitted from the recent moves.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #113 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:14 pm 
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Cutting is not completely without risk. There is a bit of bad aji that black may be able to exploit:

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O 1 X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O 4 O 2 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O 3 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:23 pm 
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@Joaz
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Cutting is not completely without risk. There is a bit of bad aji that black may be able to exploit:


Duly noted, but after :w5: I don't see anything. In particular it seems that, a and b lead nowhere.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O 1 X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . 5 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O 4 O 2 a . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O 3 b O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #115 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
only choice i have

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Offline Kirby
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Post #116 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:10 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 0 O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This just feels right.

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Post #117 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:40 pm 
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For kibitz only:
A few moves later on, isn't this point at A very interesting? I believe the aji here is great for black. Anyone read more into it or does anyone think we will see this move anytime soon? I "skimmed" through the reading, and I feel like white has to give up something here for him to come out "even". Even if you don't follow up right away, the aji is nice.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 0 O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O a . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #118 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:43 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
moves he played seems wrong. it only make my group more stable and strong. now i can invade without worrying about my weak group.

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Post #119 Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:48 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel OK with a tenuki. I think that this move is pretty big.

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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Comeback Match!
Post #120 Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:01 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel OK with a tenuki. I think that this move is pretty big.


Hmm, I'd be worried about the cut. Now suddenly the stones in the center are floating, eyeless, and well within white's sector line. Which means white gets to cut in sente, and probably chase black around some more in sente while he breaks up black potential. There's also the very real possibility of those center black stones just outright dying. I think that would null out most of black's handicap stone advantage.

We'll see if MW agrees with me based on how he responds. :)

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$$ {LN E14 K14}
$$ {LN E14 D10}
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O 1 X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O O . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X X . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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