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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #41 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same comment as before: I have no idea how this is good for white. My groups are all pretty safe, he still has to muck around for life, and I am getting stronger. He hasn't put the capping stone that he initially played to much use... After he lives, I'm going to think about where to play next. I'll try to evaluate which area of the board is bigger, depending on the shape of my stones when he's done living...

In the meantime, I"ll just grab more points with moves like the one I just played. 3-3 was an option for white before, but now it's not. The splitting stone that I initially played, which didn't have a base is now pretty strong.

I really don't understand why white put his stone into movement.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #42 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Hummingbird Cyborg
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #43 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:05 am 
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If I was black, I'd want to ignore that and play something like N17.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #44 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:32 am 
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Hummingbird Cyborg wrote:
If I was black, I'd want to ignore that and play something like N17.


Yes, not only this move but the previous black move. Indeed, I'm surprised that Magicwand didn't take it himself.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #45 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:13 am 
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I guess there is some aji at R15. I have to think about this for a little bit.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #46 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:18 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . 6 O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Like I said earlier, I'm not sure that this is great for white. yeah, he lives, but my groups are both stronger, now.


I considered the following, but didn't like the result and how it affected my top group, because of the points white would have at "a", "b", and "c":
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b c . . . O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . a . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like that may be doable, but like I said, I think this result is good for black since my groups get stronger.

I can't kill white, but my groups are pretty solid, now.

I was a little worried about R15, but I think it's OK:
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[go]$$Bcm1 11 at a
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . 1 O . 7 X 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X 6 5 0 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . 3 2 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I've got no real worries. I'm a little over-concentrated on top, but this game is going fine, I think. :)

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #47 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:19 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i guess i missed that move. :(

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #48 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . 8 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As explained earlier, I've already considered this move.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #49 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #50 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 O . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't really think of a better move than this...

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Post #51 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 O 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #52 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:01 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sente profit:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . 2 X 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #53 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #54 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A bit less aji than my previous analysis.

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Offline Hummingbird Cyborg
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Post #55 Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:37 am 
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This whole thing looks great for black here. He looks safe and forced white to grovel for life while reinforcing his groups. I feel like Kirby played well here.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #56 Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:06 am 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

making best out of my mistake.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #57 Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:27 am 
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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a 1 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 4 3 X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . 5 X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . b X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |[/go]

Am I missing something? This looks fine? Perhaps white is hoping to build something by escaping at a? Or maybe forcing for thickness at b?

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #58 Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:36 am 
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@Chew Terr

I think it's just supposed to be a forcing move--leaves some tiny aji for later.

later: looking at amnal and kirby's posts, I don't know why I called the aji "tiny". It's really obnoxious.

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Offline amnal
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Post #59 Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:37 am 
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Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a 1 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 4 3 X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . 5 X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . b X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |[/go]

Am I missing something? This looks fine? Perhaps white is hoping to build something by escaping at a? Or maybe forcing for thickness at b?


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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 3 . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |[/go]


This 3 seems more obvious. It will be a relative success for white if he can cut black in some annoying way, even if he has to go back and live.

Move one also isn't necessarily intended destructively, but just to create aji (which it definitely does). If white plays it after living, black may not answer.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #60 Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 6 X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to admit, this move is a little annoying. The following isn't really great for black:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 2 3 X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


black might be safe, but the aji gives white opportunities.

I also don't like this one:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 1 . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want something like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . 1 X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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