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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #81 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:32 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
probe.. if he block it i have peeping aji

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #82 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]

I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.

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Offline amnal
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #83 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]

I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.

That isn't the only aji in the area. For instance, white could peep at 56 instead of playing your 55. That could be immensely useful later.
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #84 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:46 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
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$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]

I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.

That isn't the only aji in the area. For instance, white could peep at 56 instead of playing your 55. That could be immensely useful later.


Thanks, hadn't considered that option.

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Offline lightvector
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Post #85 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:26 pm 
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This move struck me as an odd direction of play, given white's weak stones on the top and black's moyo potential. Diving down to the lower right to secure the corner right now feels misplaced.

Although, Q2 is decently large territorially and activates much aji in the M3 area, so I'm not sure. Does anyone else have thoughts here?
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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #86 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:09 pm 
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I've felt a long time watching Kirby's games vs Magicwand that he is too fond of this descent. In the previous discussion over "capturing the flow", I specifically had this move in mind. I feel like Kirby too often takes a gote territorial play that isn't related enough to what is happening on the rest of the board, and often loses the initiative in the game that way.
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Offline Kirby
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Post #87 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:23 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
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Well, this move keeps his stones a bit weaker, and me a bit stronger. I should be safe to play here, though the ice is a little thin:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . O X O 5 O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O 4 2 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 2 7 . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 4 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 5 6 . . X O . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 2 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . 8 7 X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 9 6 4 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11 Can make eye space in "a" area.
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X X a a X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O . a a X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 O X . O 3 . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 2 . . . . O O X X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #88 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this is my wishful thinking. it might work.
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O 6 O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 4 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 5 X 8 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 9 7 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #89 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:32 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
this is my wishful thinking. it might work.
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O 6 O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 4 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 5 X 8 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 9 7 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O 6 9 X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 5 X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 0 7 8 . . . X O . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm61
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$$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O B . X . . . X O . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It does seem like wishful thinking to me. I guess white would win the ko, but is that really so bad for Black? He'd be thick in the center. And white's going to have a hard time handling the right.

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Offline Jedo
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Post #90 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Perhaps Kirby has shown me the way to handle handicap fighting!

I'm trying to figure out why he got such a good result, while I just end up in a null result despite my assistance. It probably has something to do with vulgar moves, i.e. pushing but not cutting or misunderstanding what the purpose of different groups are.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #91 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:24 am 
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kirby: incase you missed my post..it is your move.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #92 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:42 am 
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Hey, Magicwand. I had been getting ready for the Cotsen go tournament, which was last weekend. Sorry for the delay.

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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O 4 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #93 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:06 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 5 X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #94 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:24 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Has captured: B - 1, W - 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O 6 . X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #95 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:34 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Has captured: B - 1, W - 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #96 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:12 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Has captured: B - 1, W - 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O 8 . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #97 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:52 am 
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you can use trigger to speed up the process on moves like this ;)
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[go]$$Wcm51 Has captured: B - 1, W - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 9 X . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #98 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:16 pm 
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Isn't :w57: a losing ko threat?

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Post #99 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:53 pm 
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hyperpape wrote:
Isn't :w57: a losing ko threat?


Not necessarily. White can live on this side, or the corner, or use this stone for further kikashi.

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Thanks. I know the corner wasn't territory before and isn't territory now, it just seemed that white might not want to committ to peeping here.

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