I wouldn't have considered Hazushi's response at all. And then Rubin takes advantage of it in a way that makes sense to me, but then his follow up diagram for why he played that move makes no sense to me at all. I understand a bit about how the dan players feel when watching my games because I see moves that make so little sense to me that I can't understand why they were even considered.
Of course, when I look at my games at that strength, I see an equal number of what look like absurd moves to me today. I can't wait til that happens to me at my 3kyu moves.
Why do you say that Rubin's move makes sense to you? As Dfan noted, the most obvious move is to cut immediately and take advantage of the fact that White has both ladders. Now after this push, Black's previous move looks like a good move to jump ahead, and the cut no longer works.
There is this voice in my head telling me - "it's the opening, play the big open areas!" (west side). I can't. I am too absorbed in these local fights. I am too greedy... Does this make me weak? Maybe.
I wouldn't have considered Hazushi's response at all. And then Rubin takes advantage of it in a way that makes sense to me, but then his follow up diagram for why he played that move makes no sense to me at all. I understand a bit about how the dan players feel when watching my games because I see moves that make so little sense to me that I can't understand why they were even considered.
Of course, when I look at my games at that strength, I see an equal number of what look like absurd moves to me today. I can't wait til that happens to me at my 3kyu moves.
Why do you say that Rubin's move makes sense to you? As Dfan noted, the most obvious move is to cut immediately and take advantage of the fact that White has both ladders. Now after this push, Black's previous move looks like a good move to jump ahead, and the cut no longer works.
I guess that I misspoke about that. I meant that I would have done dfan's move too, but that rubin's move was sente but his sequence to exploit it was wrong in his sgf diagram. If black ignored his move, he'd get to take a stone, but not if he cut like he showed.
His move is a move that is pushing from behind that will encourage black to fix the weakness that he just created with a strange play. Anyhow, that's what I meant.
This is why I skipped playing a moyo by hane'ing the stone at J-16. I can finish the corner and put a stone in at the R-7 area. This variation I picked for 2 reasons. 1 I am bad at preventing or working against reduction and invasions so I avoided the moyo. And 2 beacuse building the moyo was an out come of not reading far enough ahead. ( As I feel. )
If I did produce a moyo my opponent could soon take the corner or fill in at R-7 or play in the corner.
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though my hopes and dreams of a Moyo are all gone...
Wait...what? I hope rubin427 is saying this humorously!
If black can take away your 'hopes and dreams' of a moyo in a single forced sequence, they were pretty rubbish dreams. And you shouldn't feel sad that your dreams are gone, you should feel sad that you didn't see how unattainable they were in the first place.
That sounds really harsh, but...it's true .
In any case, you can never say 'I will have a moyo'. You can only ever say 'I will offer my opponent to let me make a moyo in return for territory. If he refuses, I will take compensation elsewhere and leave him with no territory of his own'. If your plan does not include the latter option, it's a pretty poor plan. In *this* case, white's stones seem a bit randomly scattered and black is very strong, so black's invasion seems okay - and because white has put his eggs in one battered basket, he will have himself to blame if they smash everywhere when it breaks.
On the other hand, it's somewhat forgiveable since it's a handicap game, and it isn't at all obvious to me that white isn't about to use his influence stones for what they're really for - attacking. There is no need for a moyo if you can just eat some stones and take territory instead.
If what I think the possibility is happens I can still cut at "a" this will cause a fight that I will be willing to do. But after 4 my opponent has a free move that I do not know where will be played, depending where I may want to settle the top right corner at "b" or I am also thinking of playing at "c" at this no matter which side my opponent approaches I can jump along the wall claiming definable territory.
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I would NEVER play like this in person, because I couldn't take the time to read the variations - (or even if i did read them, I couldn't keep them straight in my head).
But I've done a little reading here, and I think this is okay, best case, I get some thickness on the outside, worst case, my stones get split and my thickness is gone, but R10 stone gets easy life.
I went to a lot of effort to show variations as diagrams rather than long sequences of moves... but it seems not all diagrams are visible in edogo. I might start using pdf or something.
finally... I feel a lot of pressure in this game. I feel like I've made more mistakes than my opponent. which won't work in a handicap game... maybe it's the handicap stones that make me feel this way? maybe I am playing poorly. It's hard to be objective.
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for rubin427:
Did you consider the one-point jump to p10? I am not at all suggesting it would be better, and I haven't read it myself; I'm just curious about your thought process.
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for rubin427:
Did you consider the one-point jump to p10? I am not at all suggesting it would be better, and I haven't read it myself; I'm just curious about your thought process.
for judicata:
If white p10, then black p8, black is chasing white's weak group while making profit and easy life. also, the chances of white getting thickness on the outside are much reduced.
Did white get any profit form the exchange? maybe the R10 stone just becomes heavy?
If that play works, I don't understand it well enough to make it work for me right now.
All places noted are probable responces, there are obviously a few more locally yet how ever I am some what lazy and rather tired today to note them all with variations.
I was not expecting this, It sort of burst my ideas and is not casually answered.
I went through alot of variations for points "a" and "b" because those were the first respnces that came to mind both of which all variations were bad for black except for like 1 in each but were easily avoidable for white. I almost wanted to play at "e" and give up what I have in the corner area there.
I decided on "c" being a little tired and feeling almost sick, I decided to keep it simplish and step over. I have no real Ideas for this I just cant afford a fight if I can not read it out.
Below are some variations for "a" and "b" and a simple one for "e"
This is horribly inconsistent of white. First you attach on top of his stone, then you tenuki? You made black stronger for nothing. White is begging to be cut at R9.
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