Dankovitch I: Shaddy vs. dts

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:50 am

I'm black, Shaddy is white, no komi. We actually played two games, each winning one on account of a silly mistake. This will be the second (longer) one, it should be pretty entertaining. (What is this? See here)

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I guess I'll let Shaddy post his moves?

And I guess I'll let people make predictions and/or ask before posting my thoughts?

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:55 am

Thanks to both of you for doing this. I look forwards to it. Not a lot we can tell from this first move, as it's probably some combination of 'current favorite opening, whim, and what you've been seeing lately'.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:10 am

I think Daniel took my suggestion in that other thread, and will play jabberwocks here.

As for white ... he's about to do something incredibly odd and unpredictable.

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:58 pm

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:13 pm

To me,

makes a lot of sense. Black playing the 4-4 in the lower left permits an attractive approach to the 3-4 stone in the lower right, but that would be a cross fuseki. The 5-3 stone is influence oriented, and the 3-4 stone is territory oriented, and cross-fuseki games tend to be territorial because it's more difficult to build large moyos. At the same time, the :b1:

is oriented toward development of the right side, but black does not have a good approach to :w2:

from that direction.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:42 am

While what fwiffo says is true, I think it's important to note that 5-3s are very flexible stones. While the press (developing the right) might be less ideal, this stone may become an enclosure or left with an eye to pincering an approach.

dfan · Post by **dfan** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:22 am

My move:

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:52 am

That's one point to dfan, if you're keeping score.

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I wanted to play q4 with this move, to complete Araban's suggested opening, but Shaddy shut that plan down, so I had to fall back to the jabberwock.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:56 am

Not sure if this is a Shaddy sort of opening, but I like this one:

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:32 am

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:48 pm

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never tried mukai komoku, don't really like the way it looks for some reason. 3-3 fits my style but it's annoying giving away so much influence, i'd rather just play 4-4.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:58 pm

Because of the 4-4, I think Shaddy will play the high approach to the top left, so:

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Edit: Changed my mind, I think this is not good at all. If I were white I would play the normal approach anyway (of 2 at 3)

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:01 pm

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I had originally considered an enclosure in the top right, but, on consideration, I really like this. It complicates your opponent's position and lets you leave your top fluid, so that you can decide how to act with it based on how things turn out.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:15 pm

@Chew

Edit:
Wracking my brains a bit, I think I remember that the captain likes this:

And who doesn't want to be more like TheCaptain

dfan · Post by **dfan** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:06 pm

My move:

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I can never resist making shimaris as soon as I am allowed to. Completing this one and inviting White into the upper right to be attacked seems more promising than vice versa.

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