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Offline Hazushi
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #41 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . e . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . a O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . c . O . b . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then I have sente. And then I see "a" through "e".
I do not have any variations ready... this point in the game it is hard for me to offer variations. But I will as best as I can.


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what I would like to happen.

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Offline rubin427
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #42 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:15 pm 
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Go Diagram
Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Previous Analysis still relevant.
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Offline Hazushi
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #43 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:53 pm 
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Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is what I was hoping for.
Now the result depends highly on how my opponent answer.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . c O d e . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . h . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B a b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . g . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . f O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I see my opponent playing somewhere at any of these.
If answered "a" through "e" I jump to "f".
At "f" I jump over to "c" and the result will be a fight where I plan to cut the two groups C-9 and C-13.
At "h" still I will jump out at "f", but also I may play out to "a".
"g" feels.... unsettled with a few results that come to mind though it still seems safe to jump over to "c"
I know this looks like poor thought or, show of idea but as it progresses a bit the ideas will be understandable. Currently there are to many variations to note with diagrams but at my next move I should have some to show.

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Offline amnal
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #44 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 pm 
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Black massively overestimates the value of C8, I think. The corner is full of weak points still, but white's shape is made stronger. Black needed to play a solid protecting move if he wanted the corner, rather than struggling for a sente way which doesn't work.
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Offline rubin427
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #45 Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:54 pm 
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Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . W O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I think I have lost this game. I spent a very long time looking things over and It's challenging to even come up with a plan to keep the game close...

This is what I am thinking about this move. there is a remote chance that my opponent will end up floating with one eye.



This is some other stuff I looked at - I didn't find anything all that amazing.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #46 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:32 am 
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rubin427 wrote:
This is some other stuff I looked at - I didn't find anything all that amazing.


you didnt look at my move B10.
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Offline rubin427
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #47 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:21 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
rubin427 wrote:
This is some other stuff I looked at - I didn't find anything all that amazing.


you didnt look at my move B10.
:roll:


I used to think my reading was good enough for my rank. But this game is quickly changing my oppinion.

I have a bad habit of not reading all the variations. I just read one or two variations then think I know what's going on in an area. It's something I must fix.

Note to self: read wide before reading deep.
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Offline DIV
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Post #48 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:04 pm 
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Note to self: read wide before reading deep.


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Offline Hazushi
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #49 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:50 pm 
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Go Diagram
Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Me and Rubin are talking of completeing the game through Kgs or some sort of real time server and then posting up the out come as an SGF, as we sort of both agree that there is little for us to learn from it. However as all of that is being solved out I am deciding to post my move and continue from now because there are or maybe a few people acually interested in this game.


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



It is simple and keeps me from being shut in the corner. This gives me a base near the wall and an extension point to the center. Since I am ahead, here I do not feel a reason to be to aggressive, not to many paths work in my favor starting a fight here. Even though I have enough points elsewhere on the board that I can play a bit risky I would rather play passively at the moment.

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Offline rubin427
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #50 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:43 am 
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Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . W X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hazushi and I will be finishing this game on KGS - today(10/10/10), at about 4:00pm pacific time. (UTC -7).


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Offline rubin427
 Post subject: Re: #73: Hazushi(9 kyu) vs. Rubin427(7 kyu)
Post #51 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Hazushi and I finished this game on KGS.

I certainly learned a lot from this game, and I am very grateful to Hazushi for the opportunity to play.

The game record also includes our post game analysis.
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Offline Hazushi
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Post #52 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:39 pm 
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Here is a copy with out all the comments and review. It might make it more understandable because in the review the comments are all over the place and can be confusing especially since I was jumping all along the moves as we were talking and reveiwing.


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