Araban wrote:CSamurai wrote:I'm curious about HT counter to Thors. Let's say you have a collection of 6 thors. You build.. 12 hts. You manage to feedback each thor. Now he has 6 thors with more health each than your entire 12 ht group. What next? Run
away and hope he doesn't own an SCV? or is this HT counter in addition to a massive amount of immortals?
You're not really looking at this from the right perspective, you don't see people going mass HTs against mass Thors for obvious reasons. Furthermore, the HP comparison is not correct either. But even if I were to go along with this, it's not a fair comparison anyways:
6 Thors: 300m, 200g, 6 supply * 6 = 1800m, 1200g, 36 supply
12 HTs: 50m, 150g, 2 supply * 12 = 600m, 1800g, 24 supply
And this is not even taking build order time into consideration. Furthermore, you're also not considering the fact that after you drain the energy from 12 HTs, you can merge them to get 6 Archons with a total shield/HP of 360 * 6 = 2160 vs. 6 feedbacked Thors with a total of (400 - 200) * 6 = 1200, and 2160 >> 1200. But again, this is not a correct comparison because it doesn't take into account things like damage, armor, etc. etc. It's just not that simple.
Ok, I'm sorry, I'm being a bit snarky because I didn't get enough sleep. You're right, HP isn't a fair comparison, but 6 half health thors, vs 6 archons alone, assuming none of your hts get splatted doing feedback, it just seems like this counter would be.. pretty tough to execute.
You're right, they're cheaper, and a couple HTs feedbacking the group would have prbably made a decent dent in it, but I wasn't thinking clearly about any of that. I had never really fought a thor before, and I thought my stalkers would, you know, make a dent. They bounced off like rocks on a tank.
I'll try not to be so snarky, but including details about how to use HTs to beat thors, since it's not exactly an easy counter strategy, is better than just saying 'hts counter thors'.
Of course, maybe I'm just too dumb for words at the moment, since I am a bronze player consistantly maintaining about 20 points.
Sadly, this is enough to get me to 34 in my league. Weep for us, the cursed weaklings.
Oddly, I seem to be 'slightly favoured' against /everyone/. I think I've played a couple even games and about 2 games that I was not favoured in, out of my 50 or so games. I'm favoured against people with /much/ better win records, who cheese and stomp me into the ground. I know they do this every game, so I have to assume, their 2/3 win rating would make them slightly favoured.
Does that TL post include how Skill is calculated? I will have to read it when I get home today.
. However, there is a particularly well-known BW pro who did make it past qualifiers to ro64:
) on the system that you can read here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmes ... _id=142211
. For instance, I find it unbelievably hard to believe that a 70 supply of stalkers and VRs would get taken out to a pair of Thors, replay or it never happened. Immortals are good yeah, and as Aphelion suggested feedback is great (and I notice a lot of people seem to forget that you can feedback Thors). You need to take advantage of the fact that Thors are slow...and I mean really slow. Chargelots, for instance, can rip apart Thors. And HTs do counter Thors...you need to take into account how much a Thor costs and the supply they take up versus an HT.