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 Post subject: Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)
Post #61 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:50 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:b53: doesn't prevent the connection underneath, so I have that as basically big endgame later. It's also not sente against my northern area, nor does it strongly threaten my right side group, though I will need to give it some attention at some point.

But now seems like good timing to get in this move. It's very large double sente and exposes the inefficiency of the C13 stone. If he tries to move out, I can develop the left side; if he tries to close his open skirt, I can start sealing him in.

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Post #62 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:57 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that's unfortunate. It's not a huge move, but I do need to protect to prevent from being undercut. Without defending here, I have less chance of life, so I have to defend. I'm sure there's a better defense than this, but I can't see it. Some days, I just feel brain dead.

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Post #63 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . 6 . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't really have a specific idea on how to attack this group, but this feels like as good a spot as any. It seems like kinda a shape point for black, and a kind of a cap, so I guess I'll go with it. I'm not worried about the elephant eye - if he tries to run through there it will just help me build up on both sides. I should have sente once the attack peters out, then I will either attack the right side black group or rescue my stone at the top.

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Post #64 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:26 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Allowing white to easily seal me in here feels wrong, so we're going to respond locally with a splitting move. I don't see any real danger to this group yet, but splitting allows me to weaken one of two groups, possibly in sente.

This is one of those 'cut first, think later' sorts of reactions.

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Post #65 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:53 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 8 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is standard for this shape. Lets me build up this area some while my opponent hopefully runs along dame points. It should be sente because it threatens to enclose again.

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Post #66 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:10 pm 
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I need some time to consider my next move. Appologies if I do not get through my thoughts by the end of the day, rest assured, I am considering this next move carefully.

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Post #67 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:49 am 
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Black needs to learn to differentiate between "weak groups"[ and "flexible stones". He plays under the impression that he is threatening some severe attack of a group, when he is really making a slow move against a stone that the opponent can treat lightly.

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Post #68 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:01 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've written posts about this move 4 times, including quite a bit of analysis, and I have errased one, changed computers twice, and lost the other to someone booting me off a computer.

If anyone has any questions about my reasoning, please, do ask.

CSam.

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Post #69 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:52 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 0 O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't really ignore that.

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Post #70 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:08 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As expected he's taken the bait, and made his group heavy. The probe at 1 invites white to make a mistake. If he does..

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 2 O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O 3 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The cut at 3 is severe if white makes a mistake, and seals at 2. White can afford to seal at 3 instead, because..

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . 4 . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 3 O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O 2 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


4 is a working net. So, after white plays 2 to seal..

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . 5 . 3 . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 4 O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O 2 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


5 threatens to put more pressure on white's group, and allows me better attacks on the upper right.

I may be playing aji keshi by using up quite a bit of sente to make white's group on the right so heavy, but it strikes me as a good time for it.

A good thing to remember is, it's always best to have backup before invading. But just playing a stone floating out in the center makes it clear where you're trying to attack. If you can expand into the center by attacking another group, it's almost always a good idea to think about how that fight will affect other areas you want to attack.

I'm pretty pleased with the game so far.

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Post #71 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:19 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O 2 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is sorta annoying, but since his right side group is not completely strong yet, I should be fine.

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Post #72 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:11 am 
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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . 3 . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . 5 . 3 . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X 4 O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thoughts:
I'm not entirely surprised that white didn't mess up the seal. It's not hard to read the badness there, but your opponent can never make an error if you never give them the chance to.

Up to white what he does next. 65 is loose pressure on white, offering to chase them around some more if they neglect their week group.

Hopefully white will run, allowing me to invade the upper side, which has been the aim of the last sequence. If white doesn't, I'll have some fun harassing the weak group, and see what I can reduce as a result.

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Post #73 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:42 am 
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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . 5 . 3 . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X 4 O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He's got a good attack here, but he has to be careful pushing me against his weak group like this.

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Post #74 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:57 pm 
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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This group is livable, but we don't want white sealing it in. I'd like to play a hane on the attachment, but white has the wall, even if it is eyeless, to fall back to. I need to extend in order to stabilize my group. White can continue to push, but after this point, I can hane without fear of the cut.

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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , 8 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I need to keep running, my shape is terrible. I am going to count soon, but I think I'm behind. Sorry I don't have any deeper analysis to share.

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Post #76 Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:54 am 
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Sorry for the long wait. I kinda have been swallowed by RL while not working.

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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, well, there's a slight problem. Now that he's out into the center, I can't strongly attack this group, but.. my group that I'm playing on has a fatal weakness. Playing on the weak spot gives me enough room for life, but feels like cowering, so instead I'm going to play here, trying to push my group out into the center. Very soon, I need to play on the left to even the game up again. I think this is sente, and keeps me alive, even after he responds, so I should get to play on the left next. The reason I think it's sente is..

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X a X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 8 6 0 X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 9 7 3 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O 4 1 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white tries to keep their threatened stone, life becomes interesting for white. 81 at a makes white very unhappy. Atari on the other side is slightly worse. White can abandon the threatened stone, but black secures life, and moves on.

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[go]$$cm69 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is how the next few moves play out.

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Post #77 Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:49 am 
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No prob, I know how that goes.

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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 0 . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm playing defense, so making contact with strong enemy stones is a good way to make shape and push my way out. I'm gonna try to lean alternately on each side and carve out some breathing room. I don't have to immediately respond directly to :b69: because that one white stone is completely expendable.

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Post #78 Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:46 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O 1 . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, he's offering to seal me in. I'm continuing to offer to split him up. This doesn't change the plan to move of the left as soon as I can, which is why I went with this move.
Locally, I'd prefer....
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . 1 X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but it isn't really sente, and I'll lose the chance to move on the left. The move on the left is too important to let pass.

White has to respond to this, hopefully afterwards I'll get to move away from this fight.
Results if White ignores:
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[go]$$cm73 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . 5 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 2 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



White is heavy and eyeless. Prime time to use attacking to reduce. White should respond, and I should get my move on the left.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
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$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
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As talked about previously, this has been on my mind for a few moves now. White will descend and I'll jump out with these stones in order to reduce white's left side. We'll see how white responds.

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