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Post #61 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:31 am 
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[go]$$Wcm20
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . 1 . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #62 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:44 am 
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Does this work?

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[go]$$Bcm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc If White tries to cut
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$$ | . . . . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 5 6 O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O 2 1 O 4 . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #63 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:09 am 
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OK, that's funny. Shaddy actually played this before C14, and both of us forgot. Sorry for the confusion!

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[go]$$Wcm20 --the real, actual position after W20
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . 1 . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


dfan: if that happened, I think white will draw back, and then did black gain anything? I'm not sure.

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Post #64 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:52 am 
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Post #65 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:43 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
dfan: if that happened, I think white will draw back, and then did black gain anything? I'm not sure.

It seemed like a gain to my kyu brain.

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , 3 O 2 . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The :b1: - :w2: exchange feels good to me; for one thing, White's doesn't get to perform that sort of springing-off-the-wall double-keima maneuver of playing at a (although maybe the move is still playable). Corrections welcome!

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Post #66 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:05 am 
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Yeah, I'm not sure, it wasn't a trick question :)

Anyway, here's what I played:
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[go]$$Wcm20 Black 21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #67 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:39 am 
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Forced right? Otherwise Black turns.

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[go]$$Wcm20 Black 21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #68 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:05 pm 
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Yes.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #69 Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Black 21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You all already saw black's move so I'll post two...

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Post #70 Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:55 am 
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Black pushes again, white jumps?

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Post #71 Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:32 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yup. White needed to push twice before because if you push once and jump, the cut works.

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Post #72 Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm27 Black 27
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #73 Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:42 pm 
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Despite being only a double digit kyu I'll at least try to understand the moves and make a very rough guess at what will happen next. I hope I don't say something stupid:

The move I would probably make without thinking is G14, but I understand it's a very bad move for white because of this, right?

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[go]$$Bcm27
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 4 3 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X 7 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe this would be good for white? Black's three top left stones look dead to me...

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[go]$$Bcm27
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O 6 4 O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 2 . 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X 5 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also, is this situation urgent or can white tenuki without much loss?

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Post #74 Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:07 pm 
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$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

g14 is correct. As to how urgent it is... maybe it's not as urgent as i'd thought it. D10 is probably as good if not better for white.

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Post #75 Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:03 pm 
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Does black try to separate with G15?

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Post #76 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:11 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O 8 6 O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 4 3 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X 7 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems bad, right? White has split Black's corner from his center. Maybe there's not much aji on the outside, but I just don't think that those outside stones are worth enough to make this good.

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Post #77 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:16 am 
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Seems bad, right? White has split Black's corner from his center. Maybe there's not much aji on the outside, but I just don't think that those outside stones are worth enough to make this good.


That really comes down to how much black can harass the top right white group. If black can chase or kill them, he can sacrifice the top left stones in good conscience and be content. If he only gets a partial success in the top right, he can save his top left stones and be fine. I'm not certain or anything, but it doesn't seem like the cut is bad for sure, just a much more influential choice.

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Post #78 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:09 pm 
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$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sano & everyone else: I didn't think it was acceptable to let those three stones get cut off.

Now that I look again, though, I think a solid connection is better than this move.

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Post #79 Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:26 pm 
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White's move seems obvious now, of course...

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$$ | . . 1 O X . . X . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also, after that I still think Black would cut at G15 - but maybe Black at G18 or H18 would be good, too?

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$$ | . . X X X . . O . X . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O 3 . O . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 1 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the few points on the side can be sacrificed. these stones cannot.

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