It is currently Thu May 22, 2025 9:37 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #1 Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:58 pm 
Beginner

Posts: 12
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 0
Rank: strong kyu
I mean all of it(elementary through advanced) and how helpful was it? I know lots of people tried it but haven't heard of anyone who worked through all of it.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #2 Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:00 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Posts: 1125
Location: Allegan, MI, USA
Liked others: 18
Was liked: 121
Rank: KGS 9k
Universal go server handle: Jordus
I worked through part of it, and worked through a lot of the video game for tsumego he he did on nintendo DS, and even though I didn't finish, I could tell it had helped me quite a bit. I say its worth a shot of trying yourself.

_________________
I'm thinking...

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #3 Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:15 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 232
Liked others: 103
Was liked: 39
Rank: KGS 1D
I'm about 1/2 way through and it's been really good so far. I definitely feel like my reading has improved.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #4 Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:27 am 
Dies in gote

Posts: 45
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 3
I'm working on it. and it is helpful :D

_________________
My personal go blog. Covering tournaments, tsumegos, and interesting games http://unlimitedgo.blogspot.com

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #5 Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:00 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 412
Location: Xi'an
Liked others: 11
Was liked: 23
Rank: 7k
for those who went through part of it, do you check your answers with others?
e.g. when the best you can have is a ko, would you doubt that you did not get the correct for both?

_________________
长考出臭棋.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #6 Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:17 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 643
Location: Munich, Germany
Liked others: 115
Was liked: 102
Rank: KGS 3k
KGS: LiKao / Loki
Does it really matter if I get them right? It's not like I remember my answer five minutes after I solved it. I see as reading practice and perhaps a bit of vital point intuition, nothing more.

_________________
Sanity is for the weak.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #7 Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:20 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 350
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 33
Rank: 4 dan
I actually worked through everything up to the very last of the advanced problems which I'm still chugging through now. If it takes me more than a few minutes to solve a problem I just go back to it 2 or 3 days later when I have the time. The first two parts are really useful if you do them repeatedly so you don't think about the shapes. Marked improvement in my game.

_________________
Nein Mann, ich will noch nicht gehen, ich will noch 'n bisschen tanzen.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #8 Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:54 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 338
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Liked others: 163
Was liked: 62
I made an attempt - far too difficult...

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #9 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:23 pm 
Dies with sente

Posts: 85
Liked others: 30
Was liked: 3
Rank: KGS 7k
KGS: markjgc, zombieboy
I'm exactly halfway through it right now: I'm on page 39. It's taken me since August. (Actually, I did get this far the first go-round, but I realized that by the mid-30's, I was solving less than a third of them, so I started again. This time, I figure I'm solving about 60% of them, so it's still worth going through, and I'll catch more on the next go-round.) The problems are hard! Some of them are so easy that I get them in a second, but I usually still have to read them out just to make sure. Most of them I have to chew on for a little while. Plus, it's so frustrating to do all L&D, all corner shapes.

I will say this, though: the problems are organized very well. There are a lot of themed runs: problems that are very similar, except for one thing. Like he'll do the same shape, but with a white stone in the middle in a different place. Or the same shape, but one stone longer. Or the same shape, but with the colors reversed. So sometimes, when you get one problem, you can do the next five or six easily; sometimes, the variations are so different that you can't solve all of them, or they're all hard, and by the time you've at least worked on all of them, you feel like you've taken a class about that one shape. It's very nice that way.

I can't say for sure that it's helped my reading, because I've only gone from 18k to 13k since I started, and who's to say that I wouldn't have gotten that much stronger anyway? But I definitely feel it helped.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #10 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:21 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 232
Liked others: 103
Was liked: 39
Rank: KGS 1D
Yes, the best thing about the set up is that if you can't solve one problem trying to solve the rest of the page first will usually teach you enough to go back and get it.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #11 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:16 am 
Beginner

Posts: 4
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Rank: KGS 6k
I've worked through about 600 problems from first part and after every 10-20 problems read I feel improvement. But sometimes i got confused, because these problems should ALL be solved by unconditional life by black - and many times ko is the only way (I've managed to read). And some single problems are doubled across the set =)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #12 Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:14 am 
Dies in gote
User avatar

Posts: 62
Location: Boston, MA
Liked others: 20
Was liked: 14
Rank: 0k
GD Posts: 2308
OGS: Kabit
I've just started reading Vol. 1 on my Kindle (about 1/4 through). I'm using the ones from tsumego.tasuki.org, so there are no answers given.

telemann wrote:
sometimes i got confused, because these problems should ALL be solved by unconditional life by black - and many times ko is the only way (I've managed to read).


Are you sure that no problems end in ko? I'm certain some ended in ko (after thorough reading) - for example, the first problem on page 11 of Vol 1. On the other hand, there's also one I couldn't get any answer for... (pg. 28, problem row 2, col 1 -- see below).

Be careful DDK players: there are problems with tricks (one easy example is pg. 20, upper-right) where the obvious answer is the wrong answer. Graded Go helps with these.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Vol. 1, pg. 28, row 2, col 1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . O a O b X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X c X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | d O . O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


I see 'a' and 'b' as miai. There is no seki because Bb, Wa, then 'c' and 'd' are miai. Perhaps I'm missing something.

_________________
Code:
  ()()
=(-,-)=
(")_(")      ~ Tarah ~

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #13 Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:44 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 476
Liked others: 193
Was liked: 83
Rank: Dutch 2 dan
GD Posts: 56
KGS: hopjesvla
^ are these status problems? In the problem above, black seems to be dead as it stands. Quite unusual for a tsumego!

_________________
My name is Gijs, from Utrecht, NL.

When in doubt, play the most aggressive move

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #14 Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:07 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 448
Liked others: 127
Was liked: 34
Rank: Tygem 4d
GD Posts: 24
malweth wrote:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Vol. 1, pg. 28, row 2, col 1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . O a O b X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X c X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | d O . O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


I see 'a' and 'b' as miai. There is no seki because Bb, Wa, then 'c' and 'd' are miai. Perhaps I'm missing something.

It is seki. This is the sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Vol. 1, pg. 28, row 2, col 1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . O 2 O 1 X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X a X 5 X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O . O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

If black does not play 3, white plays 4, forcing 5, then connects at 3. Black will have to fill at a, so black is dead.

_________________
"Those who calculate greatly will win; those who calculate only a little will lose, but what of those who don't make any calculations at all!? This is why everything must be calculated, in order to foresee victory and defeat."-The Art of War

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Who worked through Encyclopedia of L&D by Cho Chikun?
Post #15 Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:55 am 
Tengen

Posts: 4382
Location: Caldas da Rainha, Portugal
Liked others: 499
Was liked: 733
Rank: AGA 3k
GD Posts: 65
OGS: Hyperpape 4k
nagano wrote:
It is seki. This is the sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Vol. 1, pg. 28, row 2, col 1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . O 2 O 1 X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X a X 5 X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O . O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

If black does not play 3, white plays 4, forcing 5, then connects at 3. Black will have to fill at a, so black is dead.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Vol. 1, pg. 28, row 2, col 1
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . O 2 O 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X a X 4 X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O . O O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


As Malweth said, c and d are miai, right?

_________________
Occupy Babel!


This post by hyperpape was liked by: Shawn Ligocki
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group