74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

tj86430 · **#141**

emeraldemon · **#142**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #132 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X . O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . . O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . . X B X O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I live, but small:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #132 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X 2 O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . 3 W X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O 4 5 X 1 X O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . 6 X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X 7 X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #132 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X 2 O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . 3 W X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O 7 6 X 1 X O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . 8 4 X 9 . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X 5 X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #132 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X 3 O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . 2 W X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . . X 1 X O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#143**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #134 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X W O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . . O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . . X X X O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · **#144**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Move #135 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . B O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O . . X X X O . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#145**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm136 Move #136-8, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O 1 2 X X X O . 3 X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree. i added "w+1" to the title, meaning that my score is bigger by the one captured stone

tj86430 · **#146**

hyperpape · **#147**

Chew Terr · **#148**

hyperpape wrote:

Magicwand · **#149**

emeraldemon · **#150**

Thanks for the comments!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm136 Move #139, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . B . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As someone who enjoys math, I've always liked the endgame, it seems to be the most mathematical part of go. And I haven't had time for a lot of comments lately, So I figured I'd take a little time to examine the position and try to get some idea of what's biggest, and share my thought process.
So here's the board. I've marked the points that seem intuitively like they might be big.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm136 Move #136-8, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . e . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X d . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X d . | $$ | a O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . c . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . b . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, first ''a''. I feel like if white plays first, The safe thing is to do something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm136 Choice a $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | 4 8 X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | 3 X 7 , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | 1 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | 5 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | 6 . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . 2 . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems to suggest it's about 6 points white sente, or reverse sente for me. I can try to descend right away. If I live, it saves me 2 points, and means this move is only 4 points. But if white can kill or get seki?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Move fight $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | 1 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | 2 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X 6 . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | 7 3 5 X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | 9 4 . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | 8 X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It looks to me like W can't make seki, but it's a bit hard to say. It's always a bit frightening to make a play like this against a stronger player, you have to be very confident your reading is correct. But for now will say it's ok, and this move isn't so big.

Ok, let's look at ''b'':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . 2 1 3 b b X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . b b b b . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . 1 2 4 X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . w w 5 . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It depends how the smaller endgame plays out, but this looks to me around 8 points gote, which is about 4 points miai, which is actually right around par with ''a''. The followup if white gets this move is a bit interesting:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . 1 O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O 2 4 . O X X X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O 3 . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's hard for me to know how much to give W in this position, which is why I only counted 2 points in the original diagram.

Moving on to ''c'':

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 4 points for black $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . 2 1 . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . 4 3 b X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O 5 b X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X W X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 3 points for W. $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . w O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . w 1 2 X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . w . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O 3 . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

About 7 points gote, or slightly smaller than ''b''.

Ok, this is a lot of text, but I want to keep going. ''d'' is a tricky position, and the very fact that it's hard to see how best to play makes me think it may be urgent. I think It's best to play this way:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . 8 . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . 6 | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X 2 5 | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X 1 7 | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O 3 . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X 4 . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . b . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . b | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X b b | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X 1 . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O 4 . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X 2 . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . 3 5 | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm, since B loses two points on the other side even when going first, It seems like only about 2 points W sente, which is a lot smaller than I thought it would be. One concern I have is about this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X 6 5 . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . 7 . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X 2 . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X 1 . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O 3 . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X 4 . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's amazing how often endgame problems are actually life and death problems in disguise. In this case I think B is ahead in the capturing race.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X O . 5 6 | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . O 2 . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X 1 3 . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X O . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O O . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X X . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, last one:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . 7 6 8 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . 9 O X X . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . w O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O w w 1 X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . w w 5 4 . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O w w . 3 X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . 6 O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O 5 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . 2 X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . |[/go]

This one also seems about 7 points in gote, very similar in size, but still slightly smaller than ''b''. Also if W plays this way it removes my aji underneath and frees the followup marked above, so it may be more like 4 or 5 points gote.

Well, after all that, it seems to me like ''b'' is biggest, so that's what I'm going with. There's certainly some sticky aji in my positions, but if I don't learn to trust my reading I can never improve.

Laman · **#151**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm136 Move #140, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . W X . . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · **#152**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm136 Move #141, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . O X B . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#153**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm142 Move #142-146, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . 3 . a . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X b . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . 2 1 O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O . . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i guess 145 will be a or b. let me know if you don't agree with the sequence.

emeraldemon · **#154**

I chose ''b''

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm147 Move #147-149, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . 3 . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X 1 O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O 2 . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#155**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm147 Move #150, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . W X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i decided to answer, maybe i should have played 149 myself. there are two big areas i aim at right now: A9, where i can push to one side or another, depending on black's response and it creates some more endgame playes there and S12, which has also good chances to be a sente, threating with a monkey jump, plus black's shape wouldn't look very nice after his defense.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X a . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O 3 4 . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . 2 | $$ | . 8 X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O 1 . | $$ | 6 . X 7 . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | 5 X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | 3 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . 5 | $$ | 1 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | 2 . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . 4 . X . . . X X X . O . W X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

7 becomes sente after the sequence (Diagram 1)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | 4 X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | 3 O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | 1 X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | 2 6 X 7 . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . 5 8 X . . . X X X . O . W X . X X . | $$ | . 9 . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

emeraldemon · **#156**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm147 Move #151, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . B . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Koroviev · **#157**

The whole Malkovich idea is genius!

This is an enjoyable game, the explanations really help weaker players follow the action - even if the explanations themselves need some work to understand at times (for me anyway).

:salute:

Play on, worthy Malkovichers.

Laman · **#158**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm147 Move #152, w+1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . W X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X O X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Koroviev: thank you, it is the greatest motivation to hear that someone enjoy my game. and if you find anything unclear, feel free to ask, i (and the others surely as well) will do my best explaining it further

emeraldemon · **#159**

The prisoners go back to zero.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #153 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O B . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · **#160**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move #154 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . O X X X . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . X O O . X X X X X O O . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O X . X O X O . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . O O X X X X O . O . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . X . , . . X . X O . O . . . X X . . | $$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . . O . . . . . | $$ | W X X O . . O X X O X X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O . X O O O . . . O . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . O X . X X . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . O X . X O X . | $$ | . X X X . . . X X X O O O X . X O O . | $$ | . X O X X O . . O O X X X . X X O . . | $$ | . O O O O . O . O X X . . X X O O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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