Teamovitch #1

Jedo · **#141**

black suggestion

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A and b are the only sensible options I can think of. To tenuki isn't an option as our corner would get destroyed, and any further extension would be too loose. So do we want to extend high or low?

High: Put more pressure on the near white group and more room for expansion at the top.
Low: No need to go back to close our open skirt and makes the top side smaller.

I think extending low is the right choice for the following reasons. First of all, extending low makes the top side less interesting, something that is very good for us.

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If we extend high like this, white can approach as shown at some point later. It's an annoying shape for us to deal with and it works really nice with white's upper left formation. Additionally, I don't want to have to run back to patch it up; there are other things I would rather deal with.

So this sounds fine, but what about the downsides of playing low? We put less pressure on white and can be pressed down.:

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White can try a sequence that starts like this. However, I am happy to take the solid point and I don't think white will have much use for the thickness. Additionally, I'm not too worried about our pincer stone:

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The white push here is obviously normallly bad, but white might resort to it in a case like this. Even so though, we have an easy out:

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Baby, we'll be fine

fwiffo · **#142**

Black suggestion:

Joaz Banbeck · **#143**

Rules/ettiquette questions:

Does the captain have to wait for three suggestions? I think that all of us here knew that there was only one move for white.
And I think that we all know what the two suggestions made by Jedo and Fwiffo are, and we all know that I must choose one of those two.

Further on that line of thought: what if it is really obvious? Can a captain chose a move without any suggestions?

Chew Terr · **#144**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

Rules/ettiquette questions:

Does the captain have to wait for three suggestions? I think that all 8 of us here knew that there was only one move for white.

Further on that line of thought: what if it is really obvious? Can a captain chose a move without any suggestions?

I say yes to the first question, and no to the second. If someone suggests the move that you most want, it seems logical that you could select it. If another member wanted to select a different move, they can just ask about it in a team-hidden question, and you can answer then.

No to the second, because us regular members may miss things that you captains think is obvious. That said, team members can set up triggers. For example, I could say "If black takes x move, I suggest y. If they follow with x2, I suggest y2." That sort of thing would help to fill in the 'obvious' suggestions.

This is, of course, just my thought on the issues.

topazg · **#145**

I think a captain can play any moves that his soldiers suggest. If there's only one option but the captain really wanted to play it anyway, he can take it, but only provided it has already been suggested.

That's my 2p anyway

Joaz Banbeck · **#146**

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To observers and teammates:

@Jordus:

topazg · **#147**

To my team:

To observers:

gaius · **#148**

Jedo · **#149**

thoughts

Joaz Banbeck · **#150**

Jedo wrote:

thoughts

To teammates:

I can't imagine that they will leave it. The aji goes both ways. If we ever get a move in one of the shaded areas:

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...then R4 by us really hurts them:

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...or:

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It probably doesn't matter anyway. I think that the soldiers will compel Topazg to make their next move on the lower right side. My guess is that he will receive suggestions of O4, P4, and P5

Jordus · **#151**

@ Joaz and teammates

*EDIT*

Redundant · **#152**

Suggestion

topazg · **#153**

@Red:

To observers:

I actually quite like the jump out Red suggested, however, I think I prefer the press. There is a joseki that involves the near tight pincer where Black pushes and cuts, that goes a bit like this:

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I think White may make some good use ofo this, and I'm happy with this sort of direction. However, the pincer is far, and I don't know if it still works:

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Now "a" doesn't work for Black, as White can cut immediately, and will get a fabulous result. "b" looks fine, but obviously White takes "a" and Black is on the run. What's more, :w14:

has so much fantastic aji, I cannot see Black protecting both the bottom and right. I'll be interested to see what push and cut lines redundant has considered

EDIT: Hmmm, maybe I still prefer the O3 lines more than the press, this looks crazy complicated for both sides - will have a look at the jump out in more detail soon as well

Redundant · **#154**

Joaz Banbeck · **#155**

My wife was curious about why I have been spending so much time studying go positions recently. So I explained this to her. She knows what normal go is, and Malkovich, but didn't know what teamovich was. When I explained it to her, she giggled and said: "Oh, it is like American politics - you get to chose from the nominated, not from the best."

I replied that there had not been any divergence yet. For our team, at least. :lol:

topazg · **#156**

@red and team:

To observers:

Shaddy · **#157**

observers only.

Chew Terr · **#158**

White talk:

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a: Helps to make an approach in the top left unappealing for black, serves as an extension if we get the enclosure, and makes moves like M17 sente. We REALLY don't want black to spread across the top, so if we don't take this move, we really want our alternate sequence to end in sente so we can take something up top anyways.

c: If we jump out, black defends below, then we cap mid-right stone. Alternatively, we can shoulder-hit it to try to seal it in to die. However, there is a lot of space around here, so I'm not confident that we can ensure a kill, much less a profitable one. See diagram below.

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If we take 'a', black has the shoulder hit at the star point. If we take 'b', black can peep below, in addition to standing and fighting their way out.

Taisha

I'm going to think about these options more and look for other options, but I wanted to post my thoughts so far, so maybe Red and TJ can point out errors in my thinking. I am happy that we have sente, just trying to take my time in deciding where to spend it.

Chew Terr · **#159**

White discussion, and move nomination:

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What I'm looking at currently is something like this. I've investigated some of the possibilities (the post I was working on to demonstrate failed and was deleted. Dumb internet), and found that we cannot directly try to kill the lone stone at R8. However, we can pressure it a bit to get out. This diagram keeps fairly light shape for us in the bottom right, and reinforces the group higher up the right side. Importantly, it keeps threatening to seal in the right-side black group, which lets us keep sente to take the big point on the top. While our bottom right group is far from strong, it seems light and flexible enough to handle itself. If black peeps at it, for example, connecting threatens to attach below at R3. Notably, if 18 is at 20, it looks like we may be able to cut through the knight's move.

As for the other moves I was looking at, I feel like we don't really get enough for the taisha, since the pincer stone is close enough to threaten some of the results. It seems like it's playable, but that there's very little to make it actually desirable. So instead of playing complications just to be complicated, let's stick with the jump, which I can read better. As far as the top side, I'll feel a bit better if we handle this corner first, then take it if at all possible. The diagram above gets some in both areas, as well as getting us ahead in the battle for central thickness. While black has more actual territory, most of black's stones are low, with limited developmental potential, so I think we can be happy with a continuation like this.

Nomination: I suggest the jump to P5.

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White suggestion:

We already have two good suggestions how to continue fighting in the lower right corner, so I'm going to suggest something else, although a below is strangely appealing to me.

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Looking at the board there are two major empty areas, top center and bottom center. Therefore something around b and c seem good ideas. d is also a big point, but it seems smaller than the other two.

Choosing between b and c is not easy, but I nominate c, because if we play b and black takes c (or e), it will make invading the bottom much more difficult, and also indirectly harm R5, whereas c can help us launch an attack against Q3 later on. If black now plays somewhere around a to continue attacking R5, we will take another big point somewhere else and leave R5 as aji. If black extends towards c from one direction we will extend to the other. If black plays around b, we will have another decision whether to continue the fight in lower right or taking some other big point like d. Finally, if black plays around d, we will choose a suitable joseki there, but I'm not sure which one.

To sum up, my suggestion:

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