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 Post subject: Re: 80. Antone(7k) vs Hazushi(7k) Open Malkovich
Post #21 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:29 pm 
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This result is pretty excellent for White.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White can invade anywhere in here and play severely because he has that ponnuki going on. Black shouldn't allow White to make that shape so...
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . B , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think extending is a lot better. You could jump too if you want to play lightly but I don't want White to get such a nice shape here.

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:44 pm 
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I'm gonna be presumptuous and add that the players shouldn't read yithril's hidden post before mine. It gives recommendations for future moves.

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Post #23 Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:14 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm very sorry for dissapearing like that. I've been busy with moving, and it's still not completely over, so I might be slow for a few more moves, but I'll be always be back sooner or later.

I don't have time right now for elaborate reasoning, maybe later or tomorrow.

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Post #24 Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:28 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O B . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I forgot my original plans and looking back through my planys it seems like there is something missing.
So, moving on I will have to see what I can do with what I now have on the board.
I saw this move out the corner of my eye nearly. I was looking to play a line closer to the wall when I saw this. I do not know wether it is a good move or bad one but I want to try it out. Have no real ideas for it mostly I want to see where my opponent plays. Thats all I got hopefully I get a decent idea next turn.

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Post #25 Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:49 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, was kind of hoping he would reinforce that group with something like Q10 in gote, unfortunately he has chosen a way that is likely to end with his sente (but gives me a lot of territory and a rock solid group in exchange, so it's fine I think). Also by choosing this violent way of settling, he will gain a lot of strength but only locally, the huge gap is still there and he still needs to play around Q10 to be really safe.
I briefly considered replying at R5, but I don't think it would be a good idea, I also considered Q13 to gain sente, but I can't bring myself to just give up the corner so easily (also he might just tenuki anyway).

Now I'm not really happy with my last move, I'm sure there was something better and I feel like I lost a chance.

I promised some reasoning yesterday, here it is:

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , C . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . d . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . a b . . . . . |
$$ | . . . f . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As you can see I was pretty undecided!

Clear points of interest are the lower right corner (because a black play at A is kind of a double kakari and works great with his shimari on the other side) and the big gap marked with circles (which means that black must be careful of white getting too strong there, but also makes the two stones on the side quite light)

My local options in the corner are mainly A, B, and C. If C was actually sente it would for sure be the best move, but I don't really think c is very sente, because black can easily treat R7 lightly, approach on or around B anyway, forcing white to defend the corner, and then defend at Q10. After this if white attacks the approach stone on the left, B can sacrifice it and build towards his shimari.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 8 . 7 . 9 . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 6 . 5 . 2 . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

something like this is not bad for B I think.

If we exclude C, that leaves A and B, it's mostly the same, the main difference is that with A black can still invade at the 3-3 and live easily, with B it's Ko I think. But anyway black can't do it now because that would really hurt his stones on the right.

So probably A is better because it's larger and extends more in the direction black should have wanted to play, therefore reducing the value of the shimari.

Discounting the bottom right corner, there are other points I'd like to play. D is kind of similar to A, but favours the side and reducing black prospects more than building territory in the corner. Looks kind of vague and wishy washy, but on the other hand using 4-4 for territory is supposed to be wrong.

E is also a very big point for the same reasons as A (black approaches and builds towards his shimari). but I guess A is bigger because it's more severe being a double kakari and all.

Last choice is f, since I am really undecided, this looks like a good time for a probe. I don't really understand black's general plan and what he wants. As I said before I think R7 was a move in the wrong direction and does not make a lot of sense to me, maybe the probe would help shed some light on the matter. But then I can still probe whenever I want to. And maybe it won't be necessary at all, especially since playing A already reduces the potential on the bottom

So A it is!

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:44 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All my ideas, look away not many words for these just mostly "quick" variations.

V.1
Move 7 can be at R-10 then I dont know what I would do.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 4 B 1 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


V.2
Moves 7-9 are later possibilities but not sure they would happen that was just quick thoughts for those 3 moves, like 8 could be at Q-8 instead.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 6 B 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

V.3
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . B 1 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

V.4
Move 3 can be at R-10 or Q-9, at R-10 I probably would extend out to P-11 and as for Q-9 I am not so sure what I would do.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #27 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:56 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . W O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like the only move to me.
I can't cut yet, but I'm building very good (4th line!) territory in the corner, so I can't complain much.
I was expecting something slightly different from black:
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[go]$$B Corner
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O 2 . . O . .
$$ | . . X O . . . . .
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Rotated diagram, because I'm lazy and use the template zenith kindly posted here. Anyway, it's very similar, but more certain to end in sente for black.
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[go]$$B Corner
$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . b O . . . O . .
$$ | . a X O 2 . . . .
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

This way white is threatening A, which kind of takes away black's new base, so it's quite sente for me. If black plays A I might well ignore it, because it looks like (very large) endgame. Black clearly cannot play B immediately

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Post #28 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:24 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X B . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


*Sigh* Having open comments takes the fun away from blindlessly diving head first into... things.
Anyways like I said this is my next move. Have no plans, no ideas really lets see where white plays now.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess people will say this is slow, but I like territory, and solid, and keeping my opponent weak(ish). The more I look at this the more it does not look like endgame, but rather as a race to get a solid base. I don't have time to post diagrams right now, maybe later or tomorrow.


BTW Hazushi, if you dislike the open comments thing we could switch it to closed.

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . B |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Open comments are cool.

I have just three rough ideas currently.

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . B |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . B |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . 4 . . 3 . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . B |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.


This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.

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Redundant wrote:
:shock:

If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.


Not to say your wrong I could have also played at ...
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which I saw after I made my move but I was looking at
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 7 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 6 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A large mass of nothing usefull. Quite obviously I made my move quickly without much thought I had my hands full at the time.

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Redundant wrote:
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If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.


This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.

i am thinking tenuki is a correct response :)

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Hazushi wrote:
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 7 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 6 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A large mass of nothing usefull. Quite obviously I made my move quickly without much thought I had my hands full at the time.


I was expecting tenuki, or if at all locally Q9 or Q10, this way it becomes:

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 7 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 6 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It would leave a sente sequence for white that makes a couple points later, but black is alive for sure.
Now I have to think about where to play...

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Hazushi wrote:
Redundant wrote:
:shock:

If it's before move 150 (or some other really large number), and you're playing on the first line, you're doing it wrong.This advice is not correct in 100% of cases.


Not to say your wrong I could have also played at ...
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Like the move of the game, this is much too overconcentrated. You already have a stone at R7, so adding another stone is extremely inefficient. What's the worst he can do? The sequence below?
Hazushi wrote:
Which I saw after I made my move but I was looking at
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . 5 7 |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 6 |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A large mass of nothing usefull. Quite obviously I made my move quickly without much thought I had my hands full at the time.


:b1: above is bad, but the sequence that you show for white is even worse. It's gote and establishes virtually nothing except gaining a few endgame points.

Take-Home-Lesson ;): before the endgame, anything less than 20 points in gote is no good unless it is urgent! Now when is a move urgent? There are many examples, but for instance: a move can be urgent if it helps in attack and defense (eg. stabilising/connecting your groups or attacking/cutting his), or if it builds influence, or moyo, or invades his moyo.

Now I would love to give some examples based on this position, but I don't want to affect the game...

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Post #36 Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:56 pm 
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here's what I'm thinking:

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . a . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . , b . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even if black jumps to :b1: A is still a weak point. If he ignores then I can hassle the top group and either do a lot of damage there or at least gain enough strength to do something serious around B

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . W . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 2 , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way is still good for me I think, but I might reconsider the exact spot for :w4:

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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . d . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . e . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other big points are the usual C D and E, I could have played any of those first and waited patiently for a good opportunity but decided to be a bit more aggressive

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Post #37 Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:42 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . B O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ill be back with some ideas later I am busy at the moment.

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Post #38 Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:16 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is practically forced, otherwise black plays P15 and ruins my shape in the corner. I also considered playing P15 myself so that Black does not have a peep at P14, but it looks too passive.

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Post #39 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:41 pm 
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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$c Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #40 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:26 pm 
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