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Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #61 Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm60 Move 60
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Bah, I'm not sure about this line. I don't think it should live. But maybe he's looking to use the aji of a cut on the outside to force a way to live on the inside?

Even if white lives, I should be able to aim at making some attacks against his stones on the outside. eg:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X 3 O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 5 . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
One interesting idea of a sequence. Black makes a forcing exchange while he can, but I let black connect out and live in exchange for grabbing the big point on the left to connect my own stones and secure territory. Black would then almost certainly have to defend on the top to keep things even, and I get sente back to attack on the bottom again.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 X . O X . . . 6 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #62 Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . B . . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered descending to threaten a connection, but this feels just as big . I also suspect this gives me a sente followup to destroy his left even more.
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Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #63 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm62 Move 62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X 1 . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Bah, black lives. I overestimated my strength locally here. I should be more careful going on "memorized" corner statuses (statusii?). Now I have an open skirt that hurts chances of territory on the edge.

I'd like to play :w64: elsewhere, but I'm not at all confident that if I tenuki I won't end up in serious trouble.


Tactics and Variations A
I was going to gamble that this line of play worked out for white, but actually writing up the diagrams I don't think it does.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X 8 O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X 2 3 . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O 4 6 . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X X O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | 1 X X O . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ostensibly black is dead, but he has a lot of liberties to actually remove before the stones leave the board. Too many for white to kill before his stones die.


Tactics and Variations B
This is basically what I'm aiming for
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 5 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X 6 O X . . . 4 . X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X 1 . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #64 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:44 am 
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FWIW, normal continuation:

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[go]$$Wcm62 Move 62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X 2 3 . B . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 a O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . b X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, :w66: is often at "a" (as you create a ladder that works on both sides), but the marked Black stone and White's desire to play at "b" would make me choose this instead.
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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #65 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | B . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The first of the big endgame sentes. A rough tally put me about 5-10 points ahead in secure territory, but there is alot of fuzziness in the center and my group in the top left. A detailed count will come after this sequence. I am not putting in a trigger because if he doesn't respond properly D11 could be my sente later.

Topazg, Dusk, would you mind reviewing the game after this? I look forward to reading your comments.
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #66 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:57 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm66 Move 66
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Monkey jump? Doesn't threaten my life, just my points. So it's too early and too small; I'll tenuki.

I'm aiming to get this in sente and then continue on the top and break up any territory black hopes to form there.


Tactics and Variations
Berating my opponent for thinking small, I should be careful that my move is actually sente (that the followup is big enough) and not small end game sente.

I think it is, because I can threaten to not only capture a black stone or two, but I can cut and black's two stones here are surrounded and almost dead. So maybe this is like a ~16 point followup?

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . 3 X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . 4 5 . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Dusk Eagle
 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #67 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:57 pm 
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Heh, I don't think I'm strong enough to comment too much. When the game is done, I can point out a couple of things I would have done differently if you want, but stronger players could probably do a better job.

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Post #68 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm67 Move 67
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . B X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #69 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:47 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm68 Move 68
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . 1 . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
What ho? There's enough aji left in the stone at H17 that I might get sente back after this huge move I've been dying to make for the last like 15 moves.

Certainly if I were black I'd feel uncomfortable about leaving the position because of the points below:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . C . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #70 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 Move 69
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm confused. The top was dame imo anyways since there was no way for me too connect with one move. This move seems small, 6 points in gote. After my last move it doesn't even affect the status of my top left since I can always connect to my center group.

Anyways, I chose this move instead of B11 since it has a better chance of being sente. Gains me some territory and solidifies my top right.
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #71 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm70 Move 70
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
I'll try to harden myself in such a way that the threat of a corner invasion becomes a real possibility black has to deal with.


Tactics and Variations A
Black might decide to squeeze me maybe.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X 0 X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O 8 7 1 2 . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O 6 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 9 4 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . a X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations B
If he tries anything tricky, I break into his territory.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . 7 6 4 . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #72 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Move 71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . B O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O , O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #73 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm72 Move 72
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O 1 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Circles are the only moves I think.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O C O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . C O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probably black's lone stone is dead, but white gained a few end game points in sente.


Tactics and Variations
I should be so lucky :) Black endangers his corner a great deal if he wants to try to play like this.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . 3 O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 0 |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 6 . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . 5 4 8 . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . X X O |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . 4 . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #74 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:31 am 
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[go]$$Bcm73 Move 73
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems slightly bigger than B11 as it preempts W Q2
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #75 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:29 am 
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[go]$$Wcm74 Move 74
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Threaten from above and all but secure a moyo border. My variation from last time still applies, I think. Black probably has to defend, and then I'll get sente again, depending on whether I mind letting black save his stone or not.

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Post #76 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm75 Move 75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O X . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . X X , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O O O X . X , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O B X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O O . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The corner aji is uncomfortable. It seems 50/50 everytime I try to read it out, better make sure. I'm not sure what White is trying to accomplish here tho.
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #77 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:03 am 
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I dislike this board for both players. Black appears to have 60 points. White's only option seems a desperate attack on black's weak groups. While this is grim for white, I think it is bad for black also, that despite his apparent territorial lead for a while now, he is still in a situation where he could lose due to an oversight handling his weak groups. This game, I think Aph has needed to be more self-aware and Numsgil more aware of his opponent - strangely juxtaposed faults.

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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #78 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:21 am 
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I dislike this board for both players. Black appears to have 60 points. White's only option seems a desperate attack on black's weak groups. While this is grim for white, I think it is bad for black also, that despite his apparent territorial lead for a while now, he is still in a situation where he could lose due to an oversight handling his weak groups. This game, I think Aph has needed to be more self-aware and Numsgil more aware of his opponent - strangely juxtaposed faults.


Interesting analysis, but I have to disagree to an extent. Black looks pretty comfortable to me! I do agree Numsgil needs to pay more attention to his opponent. In fact, he should have probably realised that this game is over. Black has all four corners and a strong group in the center. Numsgil's strategy of creating a moyo is completely pointless due to the strong black influence in the center. I do not think that Numsgil has played well enough in this game to expose Aph's faults. By comparison, Aph has played well.

Also, it is worth mentioning that none of black's groups are really that weak. If you were thinking about black's upper-side group, connecting to the center at J13 and starting a living sequence with G17 are miai. Black also has the option of simply giving up a few stones and spending another move elsewhere. White still will not be able to overcome black's lead.

I think it is pretty evident from the board position that black has done well in handling himself and white, so personally I would not say "I think Aph has needed to be more self-aware" :).

Then again, I might have to eat my words if things turn around... :D
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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #79 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:38 am 
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not for the players:
it is impossible for white to make enough points.
it is a terrorable game for white.
i personally think black is much stronger than white.

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 Post subject: Re: 82. Aphelion[5k] vs Numsgil[5k]
Post #80 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:22 pm 
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Harumph, I don't think I can just leave this as is yet.

If black takes sente, I'm not 100% sure, but I think I can either take a large part of the corner or kill it entirely.

Points below are the points I'd consider. It's a pretty high level L&D problem whether something works here or not. I've tried to read out a few lines but it quickly branches. I feel I have to make this move whether something works here or not, but if black doesn't defend I'll hunker down and see if I can read anything at all. A ko at least should be possible, I think.

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