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 Post subject: Re: 77: robinz[12k] v. DIV[12k]
Post #141 Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:00 am 
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[go]$$Wcm82 robinz vs DIV - Move 82; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I really wanted to hane on top instead, but that would let Black cut off and kill my R2 stone, taking several more points in the corner:

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[go]$$Wc robinz vs DIV - Move 82; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O 5 X O 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . 3 2 6 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way, I get pushed down (very) low, but I keep all my stones there connected and alive, and may well manage to keep sente too. I think it's preferable, although I'm not totally sure.

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Post #142 Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:10 am 
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[go]$$Bcm83 robinz vs DIV - Move 83; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #143 Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm84 robinz vs DIV - Move 84; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O 1 X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Drat, I'm not ending in sente after all. How did I miss this? Black fixes his weakness, and I must still defend the cut at M2. This move looks like the best defence to me - the alternative was M2, but being pushed all the way to the second line isn't acceptable if I have any alternative. I think it would leave slightly less aji than the move I've chosen, but this move I think gives me some possibilities against black's stones later. It also provides better support for the L5 stone.

NB (probably blindingly obvious to the stronger players observing, but I'll mention it anyway): if black goes ahead and plays M2 anyway, I can't atari it (or black causes severe damage at O2), but will solidly connect at O2 - the M2 stone will then die without any compensation.

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Post #144 Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm85 robinz vs DIV - Move 85; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I would love to cut off those two stones above, though not really possible I think. This move will hopefully strengthen my lower group some and weaken his thick stuff up top.

I am really disappointed in my play in the lower left, giving him so much corner, who knows maybe i'll try an invasion there...bleh. I need to make my group there valuable preferably by killing those white stones that are in it essentially. I don't know if I can, I think i'd need an extension on my stone at H8. but also have to cut him at j7 or else no way i can kill those stones.



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[go]$$Bcm85 robinz vs DIV - Move 85; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . 1 . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X 3 . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X 6 5 7 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O 4 . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I would love something like this, I think it'd be pretty beneficial in trying to kill his white group in my black lower left area.

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Post #145 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm86 robinz vs DIV - Move 86; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I admit, I'm making this move rather quickly, on instinct rather than based on any reading. But it's hard to see how it's going to come to much harm.

Black's last move surprises me - it looks like he is now trying to make life or connect out with that large dead group, but if he thinks he can do so, then why didn't he do it before? It's not as if any of the last few moves seem to effect it at all.

The move I've chosen is trying mainly to stop him from connecting out to the East - while also outlining some territory for me in that northwestern area of the board. Actually, one of my biggest concerns while waiting for my opponent's last move was that he might be able to cut off and kill my 5th line stones on the top - the one on the right I may still have to give up, but this should secure the other one.

It remains to be seen if he can live in that space or connect to the north, but I don't think he should be able to if I play correctly.

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Post #146 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:12 pm 
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This move seems huge for him. It didn't seem so big when I was thinking about moves there, I guess I was trying to goad him into gote play, did not work in the slightest, hahaha. I am not quite sure how to respond. That sequence I posted after my last move is too small at this moment it seems. I'll try this.



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[go]$$Bcm87 robinz vs DIV - Move 87; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . 1 . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X . O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #147 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:51 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm88 robinz vs DIV - Move 88; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X 1 O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Well, I suddenly don't like the look of a lot of the aji my position has here. There are some annoying things black can do, most of them involving the peep at J9. This move defends against that, and is possibly sente, depending on whether or not DIV cares about saving the H8 stone. (I'm not sure that he should.) He's building some solid eyeshape here though - I now really wish I'd spent some of my last few moves making definitively sure it was dead and cut off. If he manages to live, then I'll have to resign - but will have learned my lesson for next time. Either way, I think this game is about to end one way or another in a very complicated life and death problem in the centre of the board...

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Post #148 Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:47 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 robinz vs DIV - Move 89; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . 1 . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #149 Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:27 pm 
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May I take this opportunity to wish a very merry Christmas to my opponent, any observers, and all members of this forum :D

(I can't help notice that our game has attracted no comments from spectators for quite a while now - if it's a problem with the quality of the commentary that I am giving, then please say so. If, as more likely, it's due to the poor quality of my moves, then I apologise, but am less able to do anything about that ;-))

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[go]$$Wcm90 robinz vs DIV - Move 90; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm noticing that my opponent hasn't put any hidden text with either of his last couple of moves, implying that he's moving more on instinct than solid reading. I can't say there's necessarily a lot wrong with that - this is a very complicated and confusing position, and I can't say I've been any better in that regard over the past few moves. Nevertheless I've been trying to give at least a few words about what I've been feeling about this game.

Anyway, as I've set out several times recently, the whole game depends on the outcome of this fight. If black lives, then I'm left with barely any territory, and I will resign if it becomes clear that he will live. If he dies, then I think I'll have a reasonably comfortable lead. I think black should die, but I wouldn't stake my life on it...

I'm glad black bothered to defend that stone with that last move - it's given me sente while not giving him any eyes yet. This move I've made looks like as good a way as any to remove eyespace - I can't really see any space for two eyes for black here unless he can cut through some of my surrounding position and kill some of my stones. I don't think this keima can be cut - I don't see the point of adding diagrams demonstrating this right now, but will do so if anyone requests. (If someone does, it probably means I've misread and it can be cut...) Note that I prefer G12 to G13, as the latter is susceptible to the double peep at H14.

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Post #150 Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:35 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 robinz vs DIV - Move 91; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I am feeling a lot of pressure now, he's making moyo while attacking me, I am just not getting my head right for this. I am gonna try to move down in here a little and push him around while I hopefully make life.

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Post #151 Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:10 am 
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[go]$$Wcm92 robinz vs DIV - Move 92; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm, what is my opponent up to? This doesn't create any eyespace for him at all, and further invites this double peep - I can't see any way for him to keep everything connected in response. Most of my stones in the underlying area have far too many liberties for them to fall into any real difficulties (which is another plus for this move, strengthening the stone attached to). I will have to keep a bit of an eye on the C7 and B8 stones, but I don't see anything too worrying at the moment - I have lots of options to connect them to the north or south, or even to capture some of black's stones if he plays in a way to allow me to threaten them.

[Added a few minutes later] Actually, there is one line where black can actually cause a few problems:
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[go]$$Bc robinz vs DIV - Move 92; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 X 4 . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 O O 2 3 . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

- which I don't instantly see a good way to respond to (C9 fails to the C8 atari followed by B9). But I don't have to push through with 2, and can defend instead - there's not actually any urgency for me to do anything here.

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Post #152 Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:31 am 
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i think by move 90 black already accumulated enough aji to resurrect his group:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . 2 . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 W 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 3 . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 9 . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 8 7 . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O 5 X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . 6 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if white choose different 2:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . 2 . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . X . 8 . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 0 O 7 . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O 3 X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm11 Diagram 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . c X W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X b X 1 O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . W O X . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X a X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

at diagram 3, black has already one eye at E10 and second will make at a, b or c

it is not so easy to spot. i am afraid that by 91 C11 black didn't do himself much good. b B9 is now interesting but probably fail after w B10. it will be sad if the black group dies, considering it could have lived pretty easily at the beginning

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Post #153 Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm93 robinz vs DIV - Move 93; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I think I can gain some advantage by fighting hard here concerning those two stones below this play.

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Post #154 Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm94 robinz vs DIV - Move 94; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this is a lot more complicated and tricky for me than I thought this morning when I made my last move. My stones - particularly those two at C7 and B8 which I expressed only a little concern over - are in some danger. If black can capture those two then he may well have enough space for two eyes there. Whereas the two at C10 and D10 can be sacrificed if if proves necessary, as their capture will only provide black with one eye. (Although I still think I have decent chances of saving them - I basically have miai of connecting them to the south with C9 and pushing through at D11 and fighting my way out with ataris. The only flaw in this plan is black's C8 atari, which prevents the connection in sente. Then things get very messy, but I certainly have resources, including, as I have said, simply giving up the two stones and preventing black getting any eyes elsewhere.)

But given how important those two stones below are, I think my move is forced here. I don't think black can stop me connecting them out:
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[go]$$Bc robinz vs DIV - Move 94; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | 3 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 1 2 . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

leaves me ahead in the capturing race. (Black has a few other choices, but they end similarly.) I will insert a disclaimer though: I've a nasty feeling I may be misreading quite badly. Indeed, I initially decided on this move, then when typing sequences up in this post I managed to convince myself it didn't work - but on coming back to it I now don't know what it was I saw that failed :-? (And I'm totally sober tonight, too ;-)) Certainly, if there is a refutation to this line of play, then I will lose this game. But none of the alternatives which I've been considering look very promising either - I considered giving up those 2 stones, enclosing black in (B5 from me now would certainly be sente) and trying to make a dead shape, but I'm pretty sure that black would be able to get at least a seki, which clearly is not good enough.

I'm feeling a lot more pessimistic about this game tonight than I did before, but I'm going to carry on fighting for at least a few more moves. I don't know exactly what lines DIV has been reading - if my play does have a refutation he won't necessarily find it. I'd be very interested to see what stronger players think about this situation, to read about after the game :)

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Post #155 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm95 robinz vs DIV - Move 95; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I think this is a pretty good move, not necessarily eliciting a response in a specific way but giving me several options.

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Post #156 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:18 am 
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with B11 black could have captured the two white stones (b B11 prevents w D11):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . b O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B X . X . c . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 4 1 a X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O 2 X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

in the game, the sequence would more likely be b B11 - w2 - b1 - w3 - b connect at a. but as robinz already pointed out, the capture provides black with only one eye. however, if black started with some sente preparation moves around b and c, he might be able to get big enough eyespace after the capture. hard to say if they would be or would be not sente

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I think this is a pretty good move, not necessarily eliciting a response in a specific way but giving me several options.

would you write more about the options, possible continuations?

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Post #157 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:45 am 
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Laman: thanks for your comments (even though I can't read them yet) - good to see there is still some interest in this game :)

Also, happy new year to all :D

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[go]$$Wcm96 robinz vs DIV - Move 96; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This wasn't a difficult decision at all - indeed, I didn't even consider any alternatives. The only thing I did check was that the black B5, white C5 sequence I showed in my last move still doesn't work for black - and it doesn't (by 1 liberty).

So right now the C10/D10 stones are the priority. Black's move prevents me from connecting them to the south, but with this move I connect to the North instead - black can't block without letting me capture some stones.

One longer-term think that I will have to think about at some point is what will becomes of my group in the upper-left. Black's last few moves have, for the moment at least, prevented them from having a base to the south (which had been my intention for them). I am going to have to think about ways to either get them two eyes or connect them to other living stones - it is true that the black stones cutting them off are theoretically "dead", but it'll take me far too long to actually capture the whole thing. But this isn't a major worry for now - those stones have plenty of liberties for the time being, and there are still many ways that I can make things more comfortable for them, by making eyes and/or capturing some of black's lose stones.

So overall I feel confident about this game at the moment - I wonder why I get such different feelings about this position every time I look at it after seeing a new move of my opponent. Or is this normal in turn-based games (this is my first one)?

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Post #158 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm97 robinz vs DIV - Move 97; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 1 . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hi there, it's freezing cold, well, -7F...so way below freezing. I want to kill these three stones. I don't know if I can exactly, but may be able to. Laman asked me to show some possibilities. here's a few that I think might work.

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[go]$$Bcm97 robinz vs DIV - Move 97; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O 5 X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . 7 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | 6 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | 3 1 4 . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | 8 2 O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This kills two, I like it well enough.

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[go]$$Bcm97 robinz vs DIV - Move 97; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | 5 O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | 3 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 1 2 . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know if he'll play this...

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[go]$$Bcm97 robinz vs DIV - Move 97; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 6 X O X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X 2 . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O 3 X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | 5 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 1 . . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I dunno. I am not sure if he'll play anything like any of these in any potential combinations(i doubt it will go these ways). There's ko options on these stones as well. Since the start of this game my Go playing has gone from 5-20 games a week to less than one. I am noticing a serious lack in just what (and how I can) I want to do. We'll see. I don't know if this game is won or lost for either of us anymore, I want to get this black group resolved with life so I can look to reduce and build my territory elsewhere, this thing is freaking me out. That's about where I am at mentally.

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Post #159 Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:02 am 
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This is why reading (and hence life and death) is SO SO KEY. This should be a relatively simple read, quite possible for even ddks after some time.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | 0 X . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | 5 O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | 9 4 O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | 3 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | 7 1 2 . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | 8 6 O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #160 Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:48 am 
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[go]$$Wcm98 robinz vs DIV - Move 98; prisoners: Black 0 White 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X . . X . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . X . . . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . X . O . X O O . . O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . O O . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X 1 . X X X X . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O X O X , . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . O O X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Only move, obviously. I discussed this a couple of moves back, and don't see anything new to add - there are a few different moves black can try, but every sequence I have seen leads to a capturing race in which I am ahead by 1 liberty. If I have misread anything, the most likely is that black can get a ko somehow - if so, that's very bad, as black must have loads of local ko threats whereas I have virtually no ko threats of any real value. But I can't see a way for black to get a ko, and in any case there's no point worrying about this now when any other move simply concedes those three stones.

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