Why did black play this move?

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Re: Why did black play this move?

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entropi wrote:
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hyperpape wrote:All the comments I've read make it out to not just be an issue of the player's psychology, but of etiquette or aesthetics. Why one place is polite or otherwise appropriate is a huge mystery to me.

But at least I can recognize some easy cases. If you're playing on KGS, you'll occasionally see the person who waits until dame are filled, passes are made, and the score even flashes on the screen before hitting resign.


This is the easy "rude" case. Almost anything else tends to get benefit of the doubt from me. Also if you stop paying attention to the game (because you've "already won") that gives your opponent opportunity for an upset.


I am surprised to see that many people find it rude to resign after two passes. I have never perceived it as rude and therefore I also do it occasionally.

I don't understand why it is rude. The winner is the same, he doesn't have to wait until the last byo-yomi period (this would be rude indeed), he gets the same amount of points, everything is the same. Why is it rude? It just shows that you wanted to see the accurate score before resigning.

Nevertheless, if the general opinion is that it is rude, I will not do it again and maybe enroll to a basic course about human relationships :)


The winner may not have to wait for the last byo-yomi period, but he DID have to wait for the rest of the game after his victory was clear. In the case of a less than 10 point game, no big deal - you can hope for an endgame mistake or you might be in byo-yomi and not be able to estimate closely enough. But in the case of a 20+ point lead (again, this only applies to SDK or greater), the only reason to play on is to hope for a blunder (which I was always told was rude outside of blitz - your opponent is no worse than you are unless you know otherwise.) If you play in a fashion that assumes your opponent is capable of making a 40 point mistake in the endgame ALL THE WAY TO THE LAST DAME... yeah, that's rude.

The only reason to resign at that point is because you don't want other people to look at your record and see how rude you are - hitting "Done" is just as easy as hitting "Resign." It's not really the resignation that's the rude part. It's the time wasting. The resignation just shows that one is not only rude but knows it and doesn't care. :)

This is different if the players are too weak to properly judge the score of course. If you have no idea that you're 15 points behind, of course you shouldn't resign. But if you honestly judge that you're behind and there is literally nothing that can reasonably happen to alter the course of the game, you should resign no matter what your level is.
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Re: Why did black play this move?

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It depends on a type of game. A few days ago, I resigned a game where I was about 5 points behind(there was some yose to play out, but he was thick and had a lot of sente moves) and one game my opponent was losing by about 15 pots, lost by about the same amount in the end, but it was ok to play that game since there were some flaws in my position etc. I am talking aobut slow games here.
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Re: Why did black play this move?

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palapiku wrote:I don't think resigning after two passes is a legitimate part of go. It's simply a KGS bug. In the scoring stage, the game is over - there's nothing to resign.


That may be the case, but I believe the only reason to feel strongly about this bug is vanity. That is you really want to remember how badly you have beaten your opponents and even a win by resignation is not enough.
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Re: Why did black play this move?

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tapir wrote:That may be the case, but I believe the only reason to feel strongly about this bug is vanity. That is you really want to remember how badly you have beaten your opponents and even a win by resignation is not enough.

i think it is opposite - i don't want to have a "trophy" of how badly i've beaten my opponent. i would be perfectly content with resignation once the game had been decided. in my view, the final score should be more like punishment for the loser (punishment because he was waisting my time) than award for the winner (who won anyway)

yet i agree it is nothing vital, you don't meet such opponent everyday
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