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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #101 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:5 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 7 6 . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O 9 . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O 8 O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


these ko threats i can ignore.. but i think i can fight without giving him anything.
also ko threats he is using is tempting because of the reason it is a bad ko threats on black..
now i have a beautiful hanne shape on black group.

lesson for SDKs:
if you wanna get stronger learn how to ko fight. how?
1. most important UNDERSTNAD THE BURDON ON EACH PLAYERS
2. learn how to count the ko threats and correctly sequence them.
3. try not to play ko threats that hurts you.

below is the sequence i am hoping for.
i think i am pushing the limit also.. but this is how i play handycapped game.
i hope i can get some unhidden feedback from observers.
just say how you are enjoying my comments and game or just say hi..
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoner White:5 Black:6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . X O B . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | . 6 X O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | 1 X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #102 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:03 am 
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Per request, I'm saying how I'm enjoying the game and the players' comments very much :)
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Offline jts
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Post #103 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:05 am 
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also enjoying! :)
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Offline quantumf
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Post #104 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:42 am 
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To Magicwand

think the analysis you have given in this game is among the best you've done. I'm really enjoying the ko discussion.
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Offline SpongeBob
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #105 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:27 pm 
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Thanks to both of you guys for providing an interesting game. Keep it up!

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Offline ketchup
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #106 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:13 pm 
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To Magicwand

think the analysis you have given in this game is among the best you've done. I'm really enjoying the ko discussion.



To magicwand:

Seconded. The commentary you've recently given regarding your games have been amongst the best. This is a huge difference from before. I am also enjoying this game because of it.

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #107 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 2 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 0 . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X 1 X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This ko is a fool's quest! The basic problem is white just has too many local threats; a problem I should have seen before. Unfortunately, I have wasted several of my own on a ko that's very hard for me to win. However, if white plans to just continue on with the game, I can wait for a time where I have more ko threats to continue the fight. If white just captures, then it's another free move for me. As for which move to take now, my main other consideration was the enclosure at f17. What can I say, I'm a sap for the sanrensei

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #108 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:52 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . 3 . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


before i closeout the ko i will play to see if i can make more ko threat.
ko makes the game very very very complicated for the beginners.
i think i have gained at least 10 points during this ko fight and i will try to gain more points off this.

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #109 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 O . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Pretty straightforward here. As always I considered tenuki, but his jump down is far too painful. Maybe this:
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 6 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 3 7 O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Depends how aggressive I want to get.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #110 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if this is even game i would never play this rough :)

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #111 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 O 6 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O 7 O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let me know if I can capture your stones instead :D
Sad to say, I can't get any more uppity than this:
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 6 . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 7 O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
No good will come of this. So what am I hoping for now?
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

MW has certainly succeeded in the always impressive handicap feat of turning my great thickness into over-concentrated garbage. Points are points though!

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #112 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:38 am 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #113 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:35 am 
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for observers:
this is my expectation.
taking corner and use 'a' as aji.
it might not be optimal but close to it.

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:22 am 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I really can't do much else here. To not cut would result in badness:

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I get pressed down and it feels like white got away with murder. So now
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This looks pretty bad for white, so he'll probably find a better way to threaten the lower group and make life.

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #115 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:54 am 
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This looks really dangerous:

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . c . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Haven't read this carefully, but a and b both seem difficult to deal with, since c is sente.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #116 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . 9 . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if he answer my peep then this is one way street and 'a' i am alive and black group died.
if he doesnt answer my peep then i win the ko without ko fight.

my advice to SDKs:
when you play handycap game against someone strong it is inevitable that you make mistake and kill your group.
but if you can calm yourself and play correctly you still have chance to win.
if you play to makeup for your prior loss then you are sure to lose.
i think Jedo's move was exactly that. highway to loss.
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[go]$$Wcm109 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 6 O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 7 8 X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #117 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:57 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner White:6 Black:4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't find any way for him to capture anything over there. Also, the nice thing about this move is that it destroys his local ko threats. He still has two I can't ignore, so I'll have to keep my eye on threats I can use

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #118 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:12 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoner White:6 Black:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 8 X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . O 5 6 X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree with this.
i think i will live by seki. 1-10 and a,b
i might be wrong because it took me only 1 minute to read this.
but i think i am right.
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[go]$$B Prisoner White:6 Black:5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | 8 6 5 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O 2 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 b O X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | a O X X O X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . , O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | 0 O O X X X O X . X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X O . . . . X X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O , . X . . O X . O . |
$$ | X X O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X O . |
$$ | O O . O O . . . . . . . O X O X . X . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 86: Magicwand (4D) Vs. Jedo (2K)
Post #119 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:17 pm 
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For obs:
Assuming Magicwand is right about killing, shouldn't Black restart the ko and use the upper white group's need to live as a source of threats? Would this work/is it a good idea?

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