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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Post #121 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:34 pm 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . W . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline wms
 Post subject: Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Post #122 Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 pm 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well I kept trying moves and none of them worked well. Finally I took a look at this move. To be honest, I haven't read everything out fully, but this is interesting to me. If magicwand ignores the move then I can get some good shape by exploiting the shortage of liberties around white L12, and meanwhile it fixes the biggest problem I've been having, which is my weakness at G15. So let's see if it works.

If I misread and all my stones around F16 and K12 die, then I'll have to think hard about resigning.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Post #123 Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:10 pm 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

almost there...

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Offline wms
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Post #124 Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:21 am 
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A move that I did not expect at all, but it makes sense once I look at it. Seems I'll have to drop to 1 move per day while things stay tricky.
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Post #125 Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:31 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

almost there...
Holy crap.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #126 Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 pm 
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maybe something along this line?? i dont expect much out of the side. my main goal is the top dragon. 'a' sente is all i am intrested because that is a piece of puzzle that will kill the dragon.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . W . 5 X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . 7 , 6 4 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 9 8 O . 3 2 O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . X a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline wms
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Post #127 Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:07 pm 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X B O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X B . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks very bleak. I thought about E11 and E10, but they ended up even worse.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms
Post #128 Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:13 pm 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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i think he made a mistake. now i expect alot from left side. i have more choices and he is in deeper water.
now i can cut other way and go after black group. "a" is not sente. black is about to resign.
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 5 O 4 2 X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . 7 6 , . 3 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 8 . O . 1 W O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline wms
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Post #129 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:44 am 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . 7 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . 6 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 8 5 O 3 1 X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . 2 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . B O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Iffy at best, but the only choice it seems.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #130 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:21 am 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #131 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:55 am 
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[go]$$c the game is over. i will trade a and b before the kill to make sure i dont have any weakness.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | 8 6 O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . 5 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | 7 O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 3 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O 2 W X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . b X a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Solomon
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Post #132 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:01 am 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . a X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . 7 3 O 2 O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 4 , . 1 X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . 6 . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . b . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This way still leaves the most possibilities for Black. What Black needs to do is keep the liberties on the D11 group tight. After 7, if 'a':

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[go]$$c White will lose liberty race by 1.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . W X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X O 5 6 X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | 2 O 4 O 7 X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 1 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After 7, if 'b':
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[go]$$c Becomes complicated, but feels bad for White.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . 2 O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 1 X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | 3 . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | 4 X O , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . X O O 6 . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 8 W 9 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, this second diagram is probably not the best Black or White can do.

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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . B X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #134 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:44 am 
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Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...
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Post #135 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:51 am 
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wms wrote:
Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...


That was my thought as well. Maybe he wanted to tempt you more :)

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Post #136 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:58 am 
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He's just clarifying the default "private" operation there as opposed to some that are meant to be read by certain "friend" people.
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Post #137 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:02 am 
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wms wrote:
Araban - isn't is *always* for observers only when people comment hidden? (Unless it specifically says it's for a player).

I know I haven't been seeing any of them...

Yeah, guess the comment was a bit redundant; but I guess the re-iteration can't hurt :). Hope it doesn't tempt you to look, cause if you do...
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Post #138 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:54 pm 
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O W O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$c i will have to play a and b before i go further.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O W O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . b X a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #139 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:08 pm 
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okok...i actually try to read this problem and solve.
it is not easy. the problem is bigger than it seems.

short answer : ko.
but way more complicated because it is intertwined with top black group.

i will play as below and leave the ko aji alone for a while.
depends on what he plays i will decide if i am going to activate the ko aji.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X X O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O W O X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . X X O X O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O 1 . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


edited:
disregard above comments
i must been dreaming about somethingelse.
i will go home and try to read them again.

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Post #140 Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:00 pm 
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i looked at this for 10 min at home now.
i still dont know who is winning this local fight.
at least i have pleaty of time to study :)
and also i am ahead whatever outcome it maybe.

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