90: CSamurai (5k) vs Chew (3k)

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:49 am

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:37 pm

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CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:58 pm

I'd like to appologize for posting a move without /any/ commentary, and apologize in advance for the fact that I can't play for the next few days. The intense pain I was experiencing when I made my last move turns out to be a kidney stone, so until I'm off the really awesome drugs that they've prescribed for me, I'll be on hiatus from the game.

Thanks,
CSam.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:38 am

No problem at all! Take your time and rest, feel better. I hope it goes as well as it can be expected to.

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:36 am

It actually went better than I expected. The pain passed late last night, so the worst of it is over. I'm not in a drug induced stupor, so let's see about a move.

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And now white has sente, and must try something drastic.

If white plays too peacefully, black's moyo is too large. I expect to see an invasion soon. I believe white will play something along these lines..

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If white plays one of these, I have a plan for each..

If white plays something else, I'll have to stop and ponder it.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:27 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:39 am

he is trying to get points without flow.
if black plays :b37:

black moyo will grow exponentally.
so i will say that is a mistake to play passive move like :w36:

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although white gained points on lower left corner black's wall is well agreeing with tengent stone.
so it is a good variation for black in that corner..

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CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:36 pm

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I've already thanked Chew for this move. It's the sort of gift you can't count on white giving you very often, the gift of an open board to play on.

White's move is very good for his side, making it hard to invade later, but doesn't force me to follow it any particular direction. In fact, I can now take a big move.

There are a few moves for me to look at, only two of which I'll bother to discuss.

The first move we're going to discuss is the one I didn't make.

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The play at 37 removes a lot of Aji for me. It's not sente, but it is a good move from the moyo standpoint. Alternately, playing at or around the starpoint on the lower level also limits the amount of incursion white can make on the lower side. But, I think the lower side is slightly less interesting than the left in terms of invasion. Oh, white has lots of room to invade there, and without 7, he has the threat of connecting under to that corner, but I think I can manage that fairly well.

The play I did make, on the other hand,

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This 37 is good for building influence along the bottom, and solidifying the invasion points on the right. There's only a little space left, at A and B, and neither of those has a lot of room. With the board the way it is, I expect to see a move at or around C.

It's my thought that the right is slightly larger, in terms of potential, than the left. Some other thoughts I won't go into depth about, because they didn't feel as large, are...

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A and C aim at expanding my moyo. B aims at expanding the territory up top, and I'll likely get it a bit later, when it's more useful.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:45 pm

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:59 pm

Now Black's got such a powerful and solid position on the right, he can shoulder hit Chew's latest move for a gigantic moyo. I would prefer this:

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CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:23 pm

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Let's be honest, the bottom wasn't secure no matter what I did.

I think the cap here is a good response, giving me influence to build territory. I just hope he's not watching the magicwand/kirby game, since Kirby's response seems pretty good here as well.

But I don't have a much better idea. Other options include things like..

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or

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Both of these would be OK, except that they encourage white to make a base and then push out into the center. This 39 is especially poor, because of the weakness left at f2, making that area unlikely to build any territory. The other way introduces too much possibility that the weakish wall on the left will come under attack.

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the play at 42 suddenly has teeth, thanks to 40. I think, though, that better is..

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this looks pretty good for me. Other way too. I'm willing to give up much of the bottom to make a good center out of my moyo.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:29 pm

@CSamurai:

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CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:56 pm

topazg wrote:@CSamurai:

Out of interest, why not this?

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Does this need hidden? I don't feel like it affects the flow of the game, since white and I have moved beyond the move in question?

I felt like the shoulder hit strengthened this stone unecessarily. It's a bit stronger for building territory, but I was considering a response like...

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This doesn't look quite as good as the cap to me.

I think I'm going to have to think about my response for a moment.

I'll likely post again when I'm not getting ready for work.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:15 pm

37 is wrong. it should secure bottom side instead.(see below)

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