Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:11 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:09 am

for observers:

i think this is correct sequence for kirby. if he plays as below he will earn my respect.
is he going to play as below? white looks bad!!

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:48 am

OK, I will explain some of the rationale behind the moves I have made so far. First, I'll start with the move below:

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The idea is to put pressure on the two marked white stones by separating them from Magicwand's capping move.

I considered a few alternatives to this move. Some of the moves I considered are given below:

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This move has merit in more easily making a base for my stones. However, I cannot say that the stones are completely safe, yet. White can play as he wants, capping my stones if he wants. He's not in danger at all this way. He has control of the flow of the game. This doesn't seem like the way to go. I also considered "a" and "b", but decided against them for similar reasons. Out of the three choices in the diagram above, I like "b" the best. But it still doesn't pressure white much, so I think that none of them are the correct choice.

I also considered the following:

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This seems like a way to settle my stones. After the local action, I can probably live with no problem. But, again, with this option, his stones are completely safe. He has control of the game, and I am not putting any pressure on him at all. He can play moves like "a", above, and settle his group easily.

That's why I decided to split him, as I did in the game.

Then, the game proceeded:

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I've got to admit that I didn't consider many alternatives to cutting white with :b1:

. The closest rational alternative that I can think of is "a", but that doesn't make much sense. I played the marked black stone, above, to cut white - so let's cut him.

Then he played this interesting, liberty-removing move:

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I considered a few possibilities at this point. The "instinct" atari play does not seem good, because the ladder is not good for me:

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, above doesn't help out my two stones that much, because after the sequence shown above, my cutting stone can be trapped in a ladder with white's play at "b", thereby defeating the purpose of my original splitting move. If I decide to help out my stone by playing "b" myself, for example, I must worry about the weakness at "a" and getting out my stones in general. In other words, white gets sente in that area, which is not good for black. I want to play at "c" in the area, but I cannot play here if I protect the ladder with "b".

Since this seems to put my stones in danger, I considered simply playing "c" in the diagram above immediately. If I don't atari him, I don't have to worry about the ladder, right? Well, if I play that way, he can still seem to threaten a ladder - or at least threaten my stones:

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Now, there seem to be threats of both "a" and "b" in the diagram above. Maybe I can find a way to live on the bottom if it goes like this:

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But I didn't read it out. I figured that, even if I can figure out a way to live here, white gets me enclosed and his groups are still pretty safe. Even if there is a way to effectively attack the bottom right stones, if he gets sente - which is likely if I'm struggling to live in the bottom center, he can play a move to help out the group in the bottom right.

So this ladder kept bugging me. I don't want him to have 2 in the diagram above in sente. So... Why not play there myself? Well, I definitely considered it. I thought of some sequences along this line:

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And then I thought maybe I could live with something like "a" or "b". But the shape around "c" kept bugging me. Furthermore, I was still completely sealed in.

So I thought to myself, how else can I prevent the ladder? Well, I could hane on the bottom, as I did in the game. Then, if he tries to setup a ladder, I can atari. For example:

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And there's no ladder, anymore... But what if he doesn't play :w2:

, above, but instead extends. That seems threatening:

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Well, that's the same as the previous scenario, except that I've gotten :b1:

, above, in as a move:

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The marked black stone is valuable compared to the other diagram.

But Magicwand played elsewhere. I guess he wants this play as sente. I'm still thinking about whether or not it is:

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I'm going to consider this position a little bit further.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:50 pm

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Li Kao · Post by **Li Kao** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:04 pm

@Kirby
One thing I like about your mindset this game is that you actually attack MW's groups instead of just worrying about the safety of your own groups.

Is it your new avatar that makes you play like that? :razz:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:19 pm

I don't know what you've done Kirby, but I like it. That's the spirit!

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:10 pm

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let me know if you disagree

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:40 pm

Thank you for the comments, Li Kao and topazg. This avatar is due to SpongeBob's comment.

@Magicwand: I agree with the triggers. I can't think of any better moves for me than the ones you have selected.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:11 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:44 pm

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added comment on next post.

Li Kao · Post by **Li Kao** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:53 pm

@MW

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:34 pm

Li Kao wrote:@MW
What do you think about Kirby's deviation from your sequence?

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i think it is a mistake for him to play that loose.
i will play as above and make this game more complicated.

i can not play :w29:

because i wont get too far.
then i am forced to give him penuki which is really bad for white.

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what i expect is still good for black but it is whole lot better than diag i drew above.

i might play as below but still it look really bad for white.

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in go you have to break your opponent when you have chance.
do not avoid fight when you are ahead in numbers and influence.

koreans saying (rough translaltion):
"when you save drowning man they claim that you stole something from him."
moral of the story: when your opponent is about to drown push him down and make sure he is dead.

cyclops · Post by **cyclops** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:35 pm

Magicwand wrote:"when you save drowning man they claim that you stole something from him."
moral of the story: when your opponent is about to drown push him down and make sure he is dead.

So you know your fate, Kirby.

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:07 am

Stable · Post by **Stable** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:21 am

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