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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #81 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Don't worry Bill, I'm attacking, not running, I promise!

Seriously, I'm going to happily split magicwand in half here. As soon as he gives me a chance, I'm going to take the base away from his top left group, and I want N6 later too. Some reading:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . 4 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O 6 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X 4 3 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 5 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In a much better mood now, time to play some Go
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #82 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my continuation is not easy... i spent 5 minute trying to find good answer to his move.
but i think i will come out on top.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . e . O d X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . a . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . b 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a is too weak. i would never play that dull and slack move.
b is ok... but still dont have any effect on the black corner.
c is a probe but late probe. now he will play d not answering my probe.
my weakness at e is what bothered me so i had to play one of those four moves and i decided as i did.

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #83 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:39 pm 
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Some thoughts, will probably sleep on this one :)

I can't easily play my top reduction yet, because of the following:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I'd been worrying about the aji here:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 9 8 6 . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . 7 X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If this leaves me without two guaranteed eyes (1.5 isn't enough for me here), then I'm tempted to do this:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 8 7 . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If :w46: @ :w48: then :b47: at :b49: is fine. If he tenukis :b45: then I get useful endgame and fix all my aji problems. So, what sort of tenuki?

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . 7 . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, it's all speculative, but he could choose to seal me in, which is always painful. So, especially as I'm harrassing his group, I'm going to play for damage instead:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . 5 8 O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . 6 7 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If something like this succeeds, his top is destroyed and his latest knight's move has severe cut threats. So, before I play, I need to think about the following:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . 5 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . b . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I can't read anything bad, I'm playing it.
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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #84 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:45 pm 
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Further thoughts.

No I'm not, look at my options:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . a b O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . c d . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . e . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All of them are promising. I'm going to find the meanest, severest, shape-hurtiest things I can find, and then pick one.
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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #85 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:59 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . 5 . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is such a key shape point. It helps me to fix my own cut, and treats both of the following as miai:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . b . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . a , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . 5 . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #86 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:41 pm 
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Some thoughts:

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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . 9 8 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . 5 O 4 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . 1 . 2 3 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . B . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 0 8 9 3 5 7 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . 2 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . B . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . 3 5 O 6 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . 2 1 4 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . B . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #87 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:28 pm 
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my thought:
it is too complicated and i have no idea where he will play. i will wait until he makes his move.

more thought:
it is too complicated and i have no idea where he will play. i will wait until he makes his move.

final thought:
i know i have weakness as i stated before. can i tenuki and let him have that three stone?
what if he decide to cut my knight move??? what if?? what if????
wow.. again...it is too complicated for my tiny brain.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #88 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:18 pm 
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i thought about many variations and i conclude:
i made a mistake. i dont see any variation that will yield good picture.
i will have to make best out of my mistake on this one.

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Offline entropi
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Post #89 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:52 am 
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Exciting game


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Offline robinz
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Post #90 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:04 am 
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This is a great game to watch and follow - and some top quality comments from both players are making it fun even for a terrible player like me. I hope you keep it up :clap: :bow: :D
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Offline lesenv
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #91 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:05 am 
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thanks for doing this. I know you're probably enjoying the game as much as i am, just wanted to say this is a great learning experience.
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Offline Loons
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Post #92 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:47 am 
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My knee-jerk move would be topazg's second refutation (as white) and while I think his diagram would not be exactly played out, I agree that on consideration, it is a little lack-lustre (this American spellcheck is trying to convince me to write "luster", which must be the worst Americanisation ever).

I digress. I think Magicwand should probe the shimari. He has an abnormal number of local stones, balancing a result will be awkward for topazg. I am using the word probe pseudo-incorrectly, I just mean a conventional attack on the shimari eg. Magicwand's 'c' (now). With an eye to either plundering the corner, or when topazg resists, fixing his knight's move in sente and sort of getting a result that way. This is really Magicwand's knight's move's meaning sort've anyway, more pressure on the corner. Further, topazg's results all feature black attacking from - so as to fix - the shimari, when he tenuki'd from helping the shimari. I can feel myself rambling, so I am going to pipe down now, but still hit post. Cheerio.


edit:

If a stronger player can point out an obvious refutation of white Q18 or something, that'd be great, I'm having trouble.

Some idle clicking:

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00]
GN[Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0]DT[2011-01-27]PC[http://lifein19x19.com/]AW[cc][jc][nc][dd][fd][jd][je][oe][df][dh][ih][kh][qj][bk][pk][bl][cm][cn][on][qn][dp][cq]AB[ic][pc][bd][id][ie][qe][cf][if][jf][lf][ch][ci][bj][ck][cl][ql][fo][jp][pp][fq][nq][dr]C[Diagram from http://lifein19x19.com/

Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0]PL[B]
;B[me]C[B45]MN[45]
(;)
(;W[pb]
;B[oc]C[Maybe too good for black. Possible moves past here bemuse me.]
;W[ob]
;B[nd]
;W[mc]
;B[qb]C[white has stable stones facing black thickness. Oh, black will play Q19 if white tenuki-s. White will have to exploit black's faults directly somehow. Living with points in gote might not be good enough considering black's moyo is really the most interesting thing around.]
;W[rb]
;B[qc]
;W[qa]C[gote ? I am going to stop clicking places now]))[/sgf-full]

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Offline flOvermind
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #93 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:43 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
my thought:
it is too complicated and i have no idea where he will play. i will wait until he makes his move.



@Magicwand:
I think you missed a post, see viewtopic.php?p=48483#p48483 ;)
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #94 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:58 am 
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yes i missed that post..
thank you.

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i hate when i expect other move and prepare for that and get unexpected move.
i am not sure..but first sight his move dont look right.
(paradox: if he plays so many wrong moves then how come i am not winning? )
my whole focus is sente 'a' i thought about tenuki now..but i will wait.
i think i can get sente to play that point later.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #95 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:45 am 
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Quote:
(paradox: if he plays so many wrong moves then how come i am not winning? )


This is one of the best things your opponent could possibly be thinking.

Getting a stronger player to second guess himself can be pretty powerful, but I think Magicwand is going to stubbornly stick to his own judgment and find a way to not get blown out here.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #96 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:51 am 
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reason why i said that i made mistake is as below.
marked exchange is terrorable for white.
i shouldn't have played that exchange.
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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 6 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . 5 O 2 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . 4 . , . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . X O . . B . W . X . . |
$$ | . 8 X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

edit:
or maybe not...
on my second look..it will leave cutting point.
then his move is terrorable answer to my move

i must be tired..

i guess i will be fine after all.

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #97 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . . O 7 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 5 c . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . 4 O 1 X b . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . 3 a , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"a" and "b" cuts don't quite work yet, and the corner clamp at "c" is small as it is gote. He can't cut, his jump out stone floats, I lose very little in the corner, my running dragon is basically alive, and the aji against his top group is very large:

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[go]$$Bcm53 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #98 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . 0 O 7 X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . 9 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i expect upto this line..but i wanted to make sure he plays each sequence.
biggest question is..is my group alive?
it appears to be alive initially. so i looked at it for 5 min and could not find any way to kill it.
if i am wrong i will lose this game...i will look at it again before next move..
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . 3 X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #99 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned. I want the following, probably in that order:

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . c . . . . . . . . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . a O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . e . O . O . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . b . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #100 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:43 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . 2 X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i want sure about my life...so played it to make sure.

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