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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #121 Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:08 pm 
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Wow, lots of comments! Out for most of the day, will respond shortly :)

In the meantime, I'm looking at (in order):

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . c . . e . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . b a . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . 0 . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #122 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:14 am 
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Had a crazy busy 48 hours. Currently re-acclimatising myself with this game. Will post later, but some food for thought for observers:

Ok, in reverse order:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Ambitious - needs more work
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 9 . . 3 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm61 Looks ugly with floating group
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 8 . 5 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 2 6 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm61 Emphasis middle. Unreasonable fight.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 9 . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 1 8 7 3 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 0 2 4 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm71 Crazy continuation of above
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 2 X 1 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 5 X . O O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 6 4 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm61 Ladder works for White
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 8 X 2 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 6 3 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm61 Possible but very passive
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 4 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 2 1 6 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 5 3 O 7 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm61 Liking this one a lot
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 7 . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 4 3 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 5 2 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #123 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:48 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 7 . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 4 3 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 5 2 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 3 X . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 2 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm going for this one. I've done a fair bit more on the others, but I didn't want to waste time with diagrams. If people would like a detailed explanation of why I rejected or didn't like any of them, please ask :)

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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #124 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:21 am 
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KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 2 . . X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

he played exactly i expected him to play.
i am planning below diag. if i can get 'a' in sente then my middle will be bigger than his bottom.
invasion is good if you can live but if you play light and use one stone as aji you will get more out of it.
i think he has to answer :b63: no question. then how is he going to answer my :w64: ?
i am assuming below diag...
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 8 . . 6 . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 2 . 4 X . 7 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 5 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #125 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:44 am 
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KGS: topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X 3 . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I want 4th line territory. You can have that stone, the remaining aji is insane:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 5 2 4 . X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X 3 . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 8 . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 2 5 . X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X 3 . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #126 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:56 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . 4 X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i think his answer is questionable.

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Post #127 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:13 am 
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Holy cow this is complicated. This is what I'm likely to play (I've considered "a" through "e" too, so please ask if you want to know what I don't like about them):

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . e O d 4 X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X c 5 a . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm happy with the following:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 6 O 4 O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X 2 1 5 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also very happy with the following:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 3 O X 5 . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . 1 2 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No idea about the following:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 5 . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 3 C X 4 . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . 1 2 8 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Need to read some more.

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Post #128 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:19 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . 5 . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #129 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i love this complication :)

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Post #130 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:31 am 
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Magicwand, you're having far too much fun with these, stop it :P

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I need to protect the cut here:

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[go]$$Bcm67 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X . . O . X 4 6 8 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 2 O 1 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But! Maybe like this?


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[go]$$Bcm67 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure, the clamp is still there, maybe just this:


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[go]$$Bcm67 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X . . O . X . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I just don't like that :w70: :(

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Post #131 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:40 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X 8 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #132 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 9 O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned ... that extra exchange doesn't make much odds

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Post #133 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:54 am 
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KGS: magicwand
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DGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #134 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:09 am 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X 1 . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Have I missed something ?

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . 5 3 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X 1 2 X 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O 7 X 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 9 O X 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Surely there's nothing on this side or anything?

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Post #135 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X 2 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i think i will live in the bottom.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . 5 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X 2 X . 9 X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X 7 X O 4 O 8 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 6 . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #136 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:17 am 
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topazg wrote:
Holy cow this is complicated. This is what I'm likely to play (I've considered "a" through "e" too, so please ask if you want to know what I don't like about them):

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . e O d 4 X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X c 5 a . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm happy with the following:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 6 O 4 O X . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X 2 1 5 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also very happy with the following:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 3 O X 5 . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . 1 2 . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No idea about the following:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 5 . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 3 C X 4 . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . 1 2 8 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Need to read some more.


@topazg:
I'm curious why you didn't play D first. Given your plan, that was my instinct.

Edit: At first I asked about the wrong letter: I meant h4, wedging between the two white stones.

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Post #137 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:38 am 
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DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
one variation i didnt mention before.
i am thinking he might choose this path.
this picture is not bad for white because i can build my central influence and break his territory same time.

note that a and b exchange is sente and usually logical to play before killing my stone.
but then i will not have c sente. i am saving my aji for future use.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . c O . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X 2 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X b X O 3 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . a . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #138 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this is interesting, maybe he can still live on the bottom - I suspected he couldn't. Let's have a look:

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[go]$$Bcm73 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . 3 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X 7 X O 2 O 4 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 9 6 . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm83 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . 2 . 4 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 6 O . . O 3 1 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll have to check whether this is good enough for me. It may well not be, but this thickness and potential is still very valuable to my position generally. And... there's always this:

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[go]$$Bcm73 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O 5 X 6 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 7 C X 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X O 1 X 8 . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X . X O . O X X O O 3 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O 4 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 9 7 . . |
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But this looks rather bad for White. Maybe he's found the chink I couldn't read. Will have a look to see if there are any clever killing tesujis hiding. Where's unkx80's tsumego brain when you need it.


@jts:

Well, I wanted to make it harder for him to look after the bottom. I figured to begin with, those stones were relatively light and that he could ignore it to focus on splitting. In hindsight, I think it was always destined to end up following this line anyway, so I guess not much difference :)

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . O . 5 X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . X X . X O O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
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