93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:22 pm

Some light reading in the interval:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm117 "a" and "b" are miai $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . a O . 1 . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 4 3 X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 2 X . 5 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm117 "a" and "b" are miai $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . 1 . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . a 2 X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 4 X 3 5 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm117 "a" and "b" are miai $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . a O . 1 . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 2 3 X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 4 X . 5 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm117 Too many bits to defend $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . a O . . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O 3 1 . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . c X . 2 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I may be the weaker player, and losing here, but I resolved to not give up without a fight. I've come this far, and I'm not backing down. This one looks hard for White - I'm sure magicwand has one of his surprises up his sleeve, but at least I'm making him work for it.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:08 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . 8 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O 0 . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O 9 X a | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . 8 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ok..i dont see anything to get me out of this hot water.
after above variation hopefully i can save my self.
i guess he got another chance to win.
can he grab that chance???

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:11 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O 9 X . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:13 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O 0 . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:22 pm

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:40 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X . | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 1 X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:49 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X 2 | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:59 am

Man, this game is intense. I have a busy day, followed by travelling on holiday after lunch for 6 or 7 hours. I'll have 'net, so I'll move, but I need to read this out a bit.

Particularly, can I tenuki? I'm looking at the following:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . d O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . b O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X 2 | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O a O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O c O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

"d" takes my fancy at the moment. Neither "a" nor "b" stop me from being squeezed:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . 0 O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 8 7 X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 4 X X 6 O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 5 O 1 O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 3 2 O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . 3 O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . 4 . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't fix at R7 without damaging my hopes of playing "c". So, if I've already reduced, and can't make that many points, tenuki makes sense, leaving "c" as really big reverse sente to play when the middle has died down. However:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

What problems does this pose? I can't cut:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 6 . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X 8 O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 7 O 3 O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 5 4 O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Which means:

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I figure White cannot profit this way, so I'm pretty tempted to take that hane.

Other points of interest:

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This move fixes both Black sides as White can't escape, which also nullifies the threat of the cut at "a". White may get a lot of sente against me if I'm not careful in these areas, so this isn't as slow as it looks.

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Useful endgame for later, but frustratingly gote.

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This

I like as well, because it gives access to the middle and saves those two stones nicely. However:

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If White gets to play here (or even the other side hane) White can really build some points in the middle. Also:

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This looks like it builds lots of points for Black, so I figure White can't easily ignore the hane.

Go is hard.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:07 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:30 am

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unkx80 · Post by **unkx80** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:47 am

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One idea for B123 is to play here. The aim is to protect the cut at a in sente.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:30 am

for obs:

since we had endgame lesson from Bill the almighty let's use that knowledge to real game.
question: how big is point "a" ?
12 point marked x plus one black stone count as 2 point and one white stone for 1 point.
total is 15 point locally.
now if he plays that then it will threaten my life so it is sente for him.
which means you have to multiply the point by 2. which means it worth 30 point because it is sente.
and also it threaten my life so he will get more points on other side.
basically it is much bigger than 15 stones in gote.
Wow..
my main focus now is to play that point before he plays it.
now you know how i think.. hope it helps.
this conclud my endgame lesson for today.

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edit:

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:24 pm

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:09 pm

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Forced. I wanted to fix this earlier, but there was no way of doing it in sente

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This is still gote, as White can still cut here. I mean, I can squeeze if White tenukis, but so what?

So, I'm hoping I have miai of the middle and the lower right, both of which I think are in excess of 10 points. That lower right is no normal monkey jump now:

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Suddenly all the points marked x are non-eye-non-points for White. That's 8 points straight away, +2 for T3 and T4, so it's either 10 points reverse sente or, more likely, 16 points gote(twice) as I ignore White playing there and playing T3. So, it's huge.

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So, I hope, is this...

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:54 pm

Further thoughts:

Which do I prefer?

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Both huge. I just have no idea any more.

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