93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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Hmmmm, he's playing for complication. This just looks like overplay to me. I'm beginning to suspect I'm around 5 points ahead right now. If I'm right, and I can cut this stone off at no cost, the game will be slipping away from White. If it gives him a counter, I may get myself into unnecessary trouble.

Time to get the reading hat out...

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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm149 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . 1 O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . 3 X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's some bad aji. I'm not risking it.

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[go]$$Bcm149 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X 3 . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . 2 O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , 6 5 X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X 8 7 4 . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X 0 9 X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm149 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . 3 C 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . 4 X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . 2 . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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for obs:
wow..he back down.. i am thinking b is biggest because i will lose 3 stone in gote.. i guess about 12 point..
c worth about 12 point..
i will think about it till tomorrow..

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[go]$$Bcm149 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O b . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . f . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O a . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X d . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . e . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . c X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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The more I read, the more convinced I am that I'm ahead. There's some big points left, and my brain hurts every time I try to count the end result, but I make myself between 5 and 10 points ahead, including komi. If this is true, I'm actually beginning to believe I have a chance at this one for the first time in the game.

I'm not going to make a stupid blunder this time round. I'll convert this to a win, or get defeated due to a miscount or a piece of brilliance by magicwand. I may not win, but he's got to pry this game from my cold, dead fingers before I let go.

PS I finally got L11, N8 and N12 to work for me. I don't know if I could ever have defended them as good moves at the time (ok, I'm sure N12 was a bad move, and I don't feel bad about N8), but I at least recovered a fraction of my pride. Magicwand is a fabulous opponent to play - I have nothing but respect for the way he plays on the Go board. The "That's not sente, _this_ is sente" constant tussles we've been having actually make me glad that I was a part of this game, regardless of the end result.
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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@MW:
How would you have defended against this?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . 1 . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |[/go]
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:@MW:
How would you have defended against this?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . 1 . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . . X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O . . . . . . O X X O |[/go]

resign.
i already gave similar variation he should have played.
i knew something was not right on that side..but wasnt sure and didnt have much time to play.
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm149 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . 4 X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O . . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 3 . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


These were miai. He can only capture in gote (big gote mind you), and I also can get:

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[go]$$Bcm149 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O 9 . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 3 . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O 6 5 X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X 4 7 . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O 4 . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . , . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O O . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . . 5 O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Saves those three stones, miminises aji, and fixes that cut at N5. If I can only get Q13 in ...
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X . 6 . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O O . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . . X O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X 7 O . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O O . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . . X O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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edit: talking about his move 55

i had a feeling he would play that.
that is smallest on the board and wrong play at this time..
i had layed out whole endgame thread and saw his post so deleted everythin.

now it is my time to shine and he will pay for that mistake.
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X X O . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X 8 . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X . . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O O . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . . X O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . X X O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . X X O . X X O . , O O . |
$$ | X O . O X . . X O X 8 . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O . O . . O O O X 9 . X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . O O . . . O X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X . . . . X O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What? Huh? If he can save these, this isn't going so good. Why would he play this if he can't save them? Am I in dire trouble?
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