Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

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Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Post by Solomon »

I did something similar to this on GD a while ago and the response was great. A lot of people participated and it was overall very fun so I thought it would be nice to try it again and see just how well people are at judging the strength level of certain games. For those who don't know how to play, the rules are quite simple. Below you will see 5 games. The objective is to determine how strong the players in each of the game are. The players' ranks in the games are as follows:

  • Professionals (both are top 10 in their countries)
  • KGS 5d
  • KGS 1d
  • KGS 7k
  • KGS 14k

As you can see, the gaps between each level are quite large - so people should have no problem figuring out which game belongs to which strength group...right? :) Personally, my feelings are that a lot of Go players don't have such a great sense (despite what kibitzers will tell you) of how strong the players are in a game, so prove me wrong :D. Answers will be posted after the thread winds down (or will it even kick off as well as last time?).

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Game 2


Game 3


Game 4


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Post by Kirby »

My Guesses:

Game 1: 7k
Game 2: pro
Game 3: 14k
Game 4: 1d
Game 5: 5d
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Post by Violence »

Well, it's plain as day that 1 and 3 are kyu, where as 2, 4, and 5 are stronger than that. I'll be looking more indepth later.
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Post by tj86430 »

Ok, I'll bite:
Game1: 14k
Game2: 5d
Game3: 1d
Game4: 7k
Game5: pro
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My try:
Game1: 14k ~ not sure, but I hope no 7k would play #25.

Game2: 1d ~ The opening looks very unorthodox but I think all the moves look ok

Game3: 7k ~ Some fierce attacks are going on but I'll doubt that a 5d or pro would leave weak groups like this

Game4: 5d ~ Looks like a 5d lighting game, although I'm not sure maybe Game2 is 5d and this one 1d...

Game5: Pro ~ Playing the "wrong" direction in avalanche-style looks very much like lee changho
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Solch, can you tell us about the time controls on these games? Are they variable? Comparable? Different? Same?
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1. 7k
2. 1D
3. 14k
4. Pro
5. 5D
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1. 7k
2. 1D
3. 14k
4. 5D
5. Pro
I'm thinking...
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Post by kirkmc »

1 - 7k
2 - 1d
3 - 14k
4 - pro
5 - 5d



Edit, after posting and peeking at hidden text: Interesting, I agree with SoDesuNe and Jordus and I only disagree on the last two... Maybe a trend?
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Post by daal »

Fun stuff Araban, thx!

1. Fraught with moves that look to my 7k eyes like errors. 14k
2. Strategically consistent game by both players. 5d
3. Cocky opening by w. 7k
4. W outfoxes b in opening, b outfoxes w on bottom and wins. Rollicking game.1d
5. Slow, deliberate and calculated game. And resigning a close game? pro
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Post by lorill »

1: strange opening, reverse shoulder hit at 21, toothpaste at 36/38... weaker than me, and i'm 7k.
2: stronger that me, style looks textbookish, so probably amateur dan
3: 14 seems strange, 27 too. Looks also weaker than me, but there is only one 14k game. Both 1 and 3 contains big mistakes, but this one looks weaker than 1.
4: i honestly can't tell
5: same here
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1. 14k (Some crazy fails in the reading department time after time again)
2. 1d (So much aji keshi. But not 7k or 14k play)
3. 7k (The only obvious kyu game, and it doesn't have the epic fails of the 14k game IMO).
4. 5d (Wow, exciting stuff. It feels very strong, it also feels blitzish. Top right result was strong reading, but the game doesn't feel pro).
5. Pro (It has that feel for a number of individual move reasons.)
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Post by FrenchDude »

Game 1 - KGS 14k
Game 2 - KGS 1d
Game 3 - KGS 7k
Game 4 - Professionals
Game 5 - KGS 5d

For the professionals and kgs 5d I'm pretty much guessing..
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topazg wrote:
1. 14k (Some crazy fails in the reading department time after time again)
2. 1d (So much aji keshi. But not 7k or 14k play)
3. 7k (The only obvious kyu game, and it doesn't have the epic fails of the 14k game IMO).
4. 5d (Wow, exciting stuff. It feels very strong, it also feels blitzish. Top right result was strong reading, but the game doesn't feel pro).
5. Pro (It has that feel for a number of individual move reasons.)


yeah topazg my mate ^-^ sitting in the same boat now, hope sol is giving the answer quickly :X
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Jonas wrote:yeah topazg my mate ^-^ sitting in the same boat now, hope sol is giving the answer quickly :X


Hehe, yay, someone thinks like me :D

You criticise move 25 in game #1 (and fairly so) - but what about move 28? What about the real corker at 157?
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