92: Emerus (4k) vs. Redundant (1k)

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:00 am

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The point between our contesting influence. I can't really play anywhere else after investing both of these walls.

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This is impossibly painful.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:00 am

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:38 am

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I don't see anything here. What's the purpose of this stone? I can only hope that W will try this:

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Looks yummy.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:06 am

Hoy, both players can look at my last post. Why did neither of you expect/want that sort've sequence ? Please share your wisdom, as KGS tells me that now, both of you are considerably stronger than me.

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:33 am

I can't argue with your variation for W. F10 area seems worth taking sente for. I'm very unsure of the best way to take sente as B; my first plan was maybe better than the game.

Redundant can explain his reasoning better but the reason that I didn't expect W to play a variation like yours is that it is giving B profit for free. It's a faster way of playing for white and black can naturally secure points. So I didn't give it a second thought. It seems good.

(I think you beat me handily last time.... how does that make me any stronger?)

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:41 pm

I didn't play that way, because I didn't want the painful result locally, and I think the clamp aji is enough to reduce/invade the left side.

Now I just have to find the time to work out how I'm going to do that

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:54 pm

Oh, yeah, I was misreading KGS graphs somehow (which is a profound faculty of mine).

Right, so, I was underestimating Redundant's play because it was c. 10 points in reverse sente and I always have trouble appreciating reverse sente's bigness. How joseki-y was this sequence, anyway ? I guess joseki are hazy when black has such local support. I do just know "of" the first few moves moreso than knowing them

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:28 pm

Loons wrote:How joseki-y was this sequence, anyway ? I guess joseki are hazy when black has such local support. I do just know "of" the first few moves moreso than knowing them .

I think that the distant attack at f3 rather than the hane at e3 is used with support towards the right. (For instance I know it's joseki with a stone at h3). I think the way to take certain sente for B is to tenuki after f2 but the way I played is another way that usually takes sente.

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:04 pm

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I don't think this is too deep. I get a nice reduction here, but need to worry about my bottom right group.

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:39 pm

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Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:50 pm

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 pm

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Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:07 pm

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:11 pm

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Tengen!

Redundant · Post by **Redundant** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:22 pm

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