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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #201 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:42 am 
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@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , S . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . S . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




What do you think is a better response to your move? Is around the marked areas (to my kyu-ish brain, those were my first thoughts) or a tenuki?

i was looking at this...but i think tenuki was the best answer to my probe.
since he answered it i dont think he will tenuki.
i have no idea how he will play..
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[go]$$Wcm68 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X 4 6 . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . 8 3 2 5 X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 7 9 1 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #202 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . 3 . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm bed-ridden with a god awful flu, but I just want to get this move out of the way. I'll explain my move and go into my previous move more when I feel better.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #203 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X 4 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i didnnt read too much about this move... but i have a feeling it can not be good for black.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #204 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:09 pm 
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That must be a horrible flu. My initial opinion is that Araban just gave the game away in the last two moves. :sad:


EDIT:
After 10 minutes analysis, I still hold that opinion.


EDIT2:
I think that it is time to quarantine Seattle.
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Offline topazg
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Post #205 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:13 pm 
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@Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . S . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , S . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . S . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




What do you think is a better response to your move? Is around the marked areas (to my kyu-ish brain, those were my first thoughts) or a tenuki?


FWIW, my choice would be:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . 9 . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Simply because it seems to connect everything in relatively good shape. it's a painful move of magicwand's to respond to :(

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 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #206 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O 5 X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

One-way streets are one-way streets; see previous post.
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 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #207 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O 9 . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . a , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would ignore :w68:. It does not threaten anything big, as far as I can see; it is just endgame. The two black stones are not important at all.

I do not know what Araban had in mind on the top, but perhaps :b69: would be a continuation. 'a' or 'b' look nice, too.

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Post #208 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:14 pm 
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Araban is pretty relaxed although the situation seems desperate. Also he speaks about a previous post, but no one-way-street is mentioned there ...

IS HE POSTING IN FEVER?

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Post #209 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Araban is pretty relaxed although the situation seems desperate. Also he speaks about a previous post, but no one-way-street is mentioned there ...

IS HE POSTING IN FEVER?


I think he means he's still not feeling well enough to elaborate.
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Post #210 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:12 pm 
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RedStick wrote:
SpongeBob wrote:
Araban is pretty relaxed although the situation seems desperate. Also he speaks about a previous post, but no one-way-street is mentioned there ...

IS HE POSTING IN FEVER?


I think he means he's still not feeling well enough to elaborate.
Semicolons FTW.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #211 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . 6 . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i dont know what the final destination is like.. but let's go and find out..

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Post #212 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:52 pm 
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I dont know what the final destination is like.. but let's go and find out...


According to my reading, it is usually one of the marked stones:

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #213 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:17 pm 
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This... is quite complex. I cannot read it to the end, but I think both sides are in danger.
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Post #214 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:50 pm 
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This... is quite complex. I cannot read it to the end, but I think both sides are in danger.


You could have said that much at the first move. :lol:

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Post #215 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:05 pm 
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Magicwand: I got a flu yesterday and it's been getting worse today, so is it okay if we pause for a few days until I get better? I find it difficult to convey my thoughts in writing in my current condition.
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Post #216 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:30 am 
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Magicwand: I got a flu yesterday and it's been getting worse today, so is it okay if we pause for a few days until I get better? I find it difficult to convey my thoughts in writing in my current condition.


no prob.

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Offline gaius
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #217 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:08 am 
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@Araban & observers:

I am a little late, but...
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[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

... is the :b1: :w2: exchange worth the loss? Sure, if white captures he's super-thick, but is black's sente not worth more than white's thickness?

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #218 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:55 am 
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for obs:
i like to draw some prediction below board position is so complicated i can not even predict his next move.
but one thing i am sure about is that he is in deeper hole than me.
since he cut my stone in akward empty triangle, there is no way he sacrifice that stones.
but i dont see any way he will save his group. (i dont see any definit way to capture his group either)

worst i will come out of this fight is losing my few stone and get sente plus plenty of influence.
probably better to sacrifice his group than take that road.
either way i think he will lose..


i am thinking :b1: is must for black..
then i will just atari and come out.
he might get life with penuki but...that is no different than killing your group.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 6 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . 2 X O 1 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X 4 O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or i can atari before connecting at :w4: which he will fight ko..
but i have more ko threats...so i am not sure if he can ko....
i will think more after he makes his move..

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Offline SpongeBob
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #219 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:28 pm 
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This game has it all - even a perfectly timed cliffhanger :-)

(Get better, Araban, soon!)

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand
Post #220 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:02 am 
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araban: i hope you feel better.. i think i contracted flu from you also ;)
for obs:
i studied this board position for a while. below is the oneway street for both black and white.
(black can not ko so he has to back down)
black doesnt look good.
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[go]$$Bcm77 :b81: = :wc:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 4 3 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . 2 X W 1 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or this.
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[go]$$Bcm77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 5 . 7 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 4 3 9 8 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . 2 X W 1 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , O X X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . O . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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