33. Magicwand (3d) vs. zinger (1d)

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I must admit, I don't understand his sense of direction. I can block him on the right side, keep the 3-3 open, and keep sente. Then I can choose between fixing the ko on the right side, or dropping a stone in the bottom, which should be safe with O7 sticking out.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

Post by Solomon »

I think Black is giving up too much here, I don't think the 3-3 is available anymore. This is a variation I'd consider:
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Hmmm, maybe the 3-3 is closed after all. There might be other points down there that can live or escape though. 3 feels necessary.
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I wanted to connect here anyway, so thanks to white for the excuse!
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He always does something different thatn I expect. I figured on the solid connection.
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Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger

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I must admit, I thought the lower left result was good for magicwand, but this board looks crazy. It's a two handicap stone game, but to me the board is looking better for Black than a two stone start already:

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Magicwand, you have colors reversed, start with 2 and it will look right.

- ah, you fixed it.

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I am getting happier all the time! I wasn't going to play the second peep because I thought he might not answer it. But since he offered, I accept. That stone protects the cut at a locally (black b works now), so I am very happy to get it in sente, no need to worry about ladder breakers. Now I make profit on the top while keeping up pressure, also preventing white c.

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my last few moves displayed how not to play.
working and playing same time....usually dont workout :)
but.... i think i still can win.
move he just played is....not urgent and not big....in my opinion.
i will find the way to shake him up.
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Well white didn't answer N6, so here I go. Isn't there a proverb that says that the right time to invade is one move before the moyo becomes territory? I think that's now. N4 would be ultra-safe but also ultra-gote. I want to push for the maximum.
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i dont know why he is playing awkard move.
i am not sure if it is good or bad...
but he doesnt need to play this way.

maybe he want to distroy me and embarass me in front of all observers. :cool: ;-)
what i played is a move after 3 min of thinking.
i can not backdown. and i can not capture it.
so i will give him life in the corner and score on the side.

this way i still have a chance of attacking and ko threat in the corner and possible development of moyo points in the middle.

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