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Offline Sevis
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #121 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:27 am 
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm simply going to go by the proverb of corners before centre and play this. I should indeed soon count, but I think that assuming my left-bottom group is dead, I am behind. Oh well, we'll see.
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Offline Mike Novack
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #122 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:12 am 
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My first time commenting on one of these.

Now Sevis, I'm a significantly weaker player but:

a) Isn't it perhaps a bit premature to consider those stones in the lower left dead? You consider them hopelessly cut off?

b) If you wanted to make an extension from the lower right corner, are you sure you wanted to place 40 where you did? What formation does that make for the three stones? You consider that the whole board position makes this an exception to the rule?


In other words, I'm saying the thoughts you expressed seem to want explanation why you are thinking thus.

PS -- I hope I did "hide" correctly
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Offline Sevis
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #123 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:37 am 
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@Mike:
At the moment, the stones are not dead as they stand. However, I can be fairly certain that white will kill off at least one of my groups, and they seem to be the most likely candidates.

B 40 is gote, and does not expand me territory by a lot, but it does give me some security in that corner, and it is the largest move I can make without knowing for sure that I will be cut. M3 would make my position significantly weaker, while not achieving much more. N4 would allow white to continue in this direction. I am expecting white to head to the centre now -- K5 looks both good and fairly urgent, because me playing there would cut his group off from the centre by quite a bit. (I'd probably play J5, but it's still no good for white).

On the other hand, making 40 smaller and placing it on O3 would put almost no pressure on the white stones. White could play M4 and start building influence in the area, or, more likely, tenuki and play something even nastier like G7. The group on the bottom-left would be looking even less alive, pushing through to the right.
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Offline Kirby
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Post #124 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:48 am 
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@topazg, EdLee, Magicwand.

...
I'd like to see a topazg-Edlee Malkovich, with comments by Magicwand. Please? :)


Yeah, that sounds like it could be very interesting :twisted:

I'm actually not wanting to take on anything else for some time due to my life about to get a lot more busy. When I get the time to start another one, I'll ask Ed first, as you are the second person to talk to me that wants this matchup to happen :)


Too bad... It was an interesting dialog.

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Offline topazg
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Post #125 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:31 pm 
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Too bad... It was an interesting dialog.


Another one?? Ok, is anyone else wanting this matchup to happen?
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #126 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This game's about to get even more complicated, I'm going to make sure this group is permanently settled first, then start picking my fights a bit more carefully. I lost a lot of ground (and not as much as a should) by underestimating the value of F6. I haven't played this double approach before, and that was a useful lesson to learn. As it stands, I think I may have caught up one of the handicap stones, but no more than that, so there's a big uphill struggle to come. In 4 handicap stone games, I expect to catch up 1.5-2 stones in the opening, and another 1-1.5 in the endgame, leaving about a stone to pick up directionally in the middle. However, here, we are hitting the midgame and I'm not particularly close, so I have to make sure I can keep the initiative as much as possible.


Spoiler:

These are the moves I have been thinking about:

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[go]$$Wcm39 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . f O O . O . . e . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O h . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O c . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . X . O O . . , . . . . . X g . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I need to be careful with either of "a" and "b", as both give my groups stability whilst hurting the other. "c" I like in principle, but I need to be careful with this too. Black can settle his group in the corner, in sente against both of my groups, and then I haven't managed to get myself that far. Separating is important, as it breaks Black's influence and prevents him from making it thick, but if I'm going to do that, I'd rather play "d":

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[go]$$Wcm39 "x" and "y" aji is now a bit awkward for Black
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X x . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X y . . 7 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 6 5 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O 8 O 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of the remaining moves, "e" is very big, but just plain gote, and I'm not convinced yet whether or not it is reverse sente, as my response at "f" gives me some useful sente endgame if Black ignores it. "g" is a move I'd love to play, as it is pretty hard to defend against with two long knights (the standard 3-3 invasion simply doesn't work - ask if you want my reason as to why). However, Black playing another move there is a bit slow and a bit overconcentrated just now, and I don't want to make Black thicker just yet. The real battle is now over the middle of the board, so I should be playing for influence I think. "h" is the beginning of a nice forced sequence - but if I play it too early Black may ignore it and let me connect out, right now there are some huge moves left.

So, why "a"? Because I want "d". If I get it, White has neutralised the middle, and either isolated Black's group completely, or forced him to capture a stone in gote, helping me to settle my newly created group in the middle. Unfortunately, right now, Black settles against my group, and that's really annoying, because he can do it in sente. Even though the cut (ok, cut threat) achieves some real value in the middle, it will make another weak group, which as we've seen this game so far is a really bad thing. So, by playing "a", I reduce his ability to counter if I get "d" as well (and if not, I settle in sente with 3-3 aji), and my group at the bottom has more space to play with if he turns against that side (which is another reason I don't want to play "g" just yet). As long as one of my two groups is settled, I should be able to reduce the middle strongly enough to restore my faith in getting past these handicap stones.
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Offline Mnemonic
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Post #127 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:33 pm 
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topazg wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Too bad... It was an interesting dialog.


Another one?? Ok, is anyone else wanting this matchup to happen?


Yes! I've always wanted to see a Malkovich with Ed since his comments and reviews are always very helpful, easy to understand and clear cut. And now that we got some drama going .... :razz:

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Offline Sevis
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #128 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:46 pm 
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Reading...

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 c X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Horrible!

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 6 . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Horrible!

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Still no base, so it'll have to run, but white does live in the corner... I think this is very good for white, but not sure.

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . 6 . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this?

In any case, I think that by playing c, I will get to choose which group to attack, and although I'll probably end up losing the corner, I may still be able to get some profit out of it...
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Offline Sevis
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Post #129 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 4 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 8 . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 7 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm... Lesson for me to learn: keep sente. This variation allows white to get the corner, but makes whatever group he decides to neglect weaker.

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 3 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . c . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hm. This is what I'd do against a weaker player... And I think it's worth a try here. Read it out a little further in my head, if white plays b, the cut works. I'll need to play c, though, but that looks fairly sente.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 4 5 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 6 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bad bad bad bad.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a one way street ...
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 6 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 2 3 8 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have the suspicion it'll be this...
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Post #132 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:24 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #133 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:13 pm 
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Trigger, I think it's called? Please say if you disagree.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 . 3 . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . 8 . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, it won't be too bad if he agrees to this, but I have the feeling I'll be regretting not playing something more sente next turn. Perhaps he'll cut... Hm.
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Post #134 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:18 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 . 3 . X X . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . 8 . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Steady as she goes, I'm disrupting the middle with this. I want to make a base with G2, but getting sealed in is a crime punishable by death right now. It's big though.
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Post #135 Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:11 am 
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Apologies that this is so late. My thoughts so far:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O e . f . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . d b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . c , a . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a peeps, and supports the right. It makes white stronger, but I doubt it would be ignored, and a follow-up play on M6 would be okay-ish. Sort of. It supports the right, but doesn't do anything about the bottom or centre.

b forces white to go in some other direction. However, it isn't the only way white can crawl out. It's what I'd play in an even game, but it seems too direct here (a white play at d would be devastating, too).

c tempted me, but the stone gets locked in after white H5.

d Basic instinct -- try to run up and catch the enemy. Unfortunately, this is too slow. Unless, perhaps, I then play c... Hm, needs further looking-at. It is gote, though, I think.

e ensures that the left white group can't get out, but that doesn't matter too much right now. There's some good to it, but again, it looks too small.

f isn't much good, either -- it doesn't stop W K7, but also does little to develop black.

Currently trying to choose between d and e, am not yet sure.
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Post #136 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:39 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I like the possibility to attack both the top and bottom from here. This makes it much easier for my group to eventually get out, while threatening to cut white's apart, or to block him white the centre.
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Post #137 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:10 am 
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$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really don't want him pushing over the top. This gives this group a lot of breathing space, and let's my take my initiative elsewhere.
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Offline Sevis
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #138 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:25 am 
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H4 looks big, but I don't think it's the biggest. Perhaps H8 would be better? No, that thinking is still far too local. I think the top-right corner is where the fighting is going to be now. I think I should complete the joseki and play P14, it seems like the thing white would abuse if left unchecked. It's gote, but could still be worth it. Need to think.


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . f O O q O . . . p . l . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , e . . O g X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . r . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . c . . . . . , d . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . j . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . i . k . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O b . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . o . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O h n , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I got the most important ones.

a is gote, but stops white from doing nasty stuff there. Seeing as I expect white to play somewhere around there, anyway, it could perhaps be considered urgent.
b is gote and very small, but does limit white. I think i would be better for this, though.
c is the tengen, which in my experience is fairly balanced, but doesn't seem to help anything in particular at this moment. White won't play there, and it leaves too much area to really be considered to claim any territory.
d gets me some territory on the right, but I don't think it's that urgent. R12 seems fine for now, and while the territory may be tasty, I don't think it's the biggest move.
e extends my left a little, but it doesn't look like it achieves much in terms of hindering white. l is better if I want to approach, while p is better if I want to lock white in.
f threatens that I'd be the one to get the corner. I'm not sure why that would be a big threat, but it seems that it is often considered such. I don't think it's more than eight points difference even if white ignores it once, which doesn't seem like enough.
g makes a nice shape, but a white play at a wouldn't be very nice.
h threatens to cut, and I think I could get it to work nicely, but I don't think I'd actually manage to cut through. I think it could make six or so points difference.
i makes a nice shape, makes a connection somewhat likely, and makes it harder for white to group up-left. White doesn't need to grow up-left, though, there's plenty of nice territory elsewhere...
j is a less-nice i that doesn't make as nice a shape, but works with F9. I think white would simply cut through eventually, and ignore it for now, though.
k caps, and asks to be cut... This simply pushes white to the right, though, instead of stopping it.
l approaches the corner, perhaps denying white some territory on the top... I don't like it much, though, I think it can be ignored. Or capped. Probably capped.
m is a move I really like, although it doesn't get me anything new. On the other hand, it does make a 3-3 invasion impossible, and generally gives me hope that white won't be able to steal all that much of that part.
n is an h that makes bad shape, and generally isn't as good.
o doesn't get me much, but does decrease the chance of white growing to the right. I'd end up with two small moyos, though, which I don't like, because I don't expect to keep much of any moyos I might get.
p grows my moyo in gote, in a direction from which an attack is unlikely.
q is certainly sente (I hope...), but doesn't do much else. I think I'll keep it around -- it's way too small for white, but is a good ko threat for me.
r makes a nice shape, but can be cut off easily. I don't like it.

Perhaps I'm overthinking this? Nahhh.

Going to reconsider the best options soon: probably a, d, i, m, o, g and f. Oh, and perhaps I should do a quick count.


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . f O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O g X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , d . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . i . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . o . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . m . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Lettering kept. Going to think some more about these.

a does stop white from doing most of the nasty things he can do... I'm not sure if it would have all that much use, but it still seems like a good idea.

d almost secures the right, but is too high -- white can still invade there, I think.

f may be big. I'm not sure. It doesn't look big, but from watching games, I remember white often answers.

g threatens to cut... Also very big if ignored, I think. Not sure.

i seems to bring everything together. I don't like this, too gote for not enough gain.

m seems like the safest and most reasonable move, but it is gote, and it seems rather cowardly. Instead of pressing on, I'd be trying to save my skin. I don't think it is essential, either..
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . 7 X 2 9 . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X 8 4 3 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White manages to cut and live, so perhaps joseki is a better idea.In any case, white doesn't live big, I think...

oSort of protects the right, while at the same time attacking white... I like this, but I'm not sure making two moyos is a good idea.


I think g is most sente.


Last edited by Sevis on Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #139 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:13 am 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #140 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:33 am 
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for obs only:
Sevis wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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this comment is for weak SDKs and DDKs:
above is a perfect example of a bad play.
next move is obvious then it is like getting hit on a two stone head.
it is like running into a wall for no reason.
learn to avoid that shape.

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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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