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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #141 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, can't ignore that, and am happy to double hane, so I don't feel the need to do anything other than the simple move here.
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Offline Sevis
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Post #142 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:27 pm 
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I think I'll end up overconcentrated, but this is the only semi-decent reply I see... If white double-hanes, I'll be at a local loss, but I'll get sente, so I think white will wait.


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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #143 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:33 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Finally, some fun sente without a criminally weak group. Time to catch this game up. Sevis, you've played out of your skin for KGS 14k, and I really mean that. You taught me a valuable lesson in the lower left, and you've made some sound judgements all the way through. I'm now going to see how you respond to some complications, but treat the fact that I'm resorting to them as a compliment :)

As I said in my game against Ed, I'm going to be pressed for time and energy for quite a while, so I'm going to put my rejected moves only, and a couple of short comments. Please hammer me with questions if you have them, anyone :)

Rejected moves:

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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . e . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . a . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X c . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . f . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #144 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:35 pm 
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For sevis
What were you afraid Topazg could do if you didn't play :b54:?

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Offline Sevis
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Post #145 Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:08 pm 
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For hyperpape:
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . 6 5 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like this at all -- I could fight there for a little more, but it doesn't look safe.


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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , d . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X c 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . a b . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a is first instinct.
b is for shape.
c is to defend the top.
d is to make sure white can't profit too much.

Going with b, because it allows me to continue in either direction.


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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thank you, I'm surprised this game is going as well as it is. You got me very worried with the bottom-left, and I've been uneasy about the top-right corner until this last exchange. I can't wait to see the complications, I guess I should start reading more now. ^^


Going to be away for the weekend again, so next move will be around Monday.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 99. topazg vs sevis
Post #146 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:56 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's leave that there just in case my bottom group needs it later, I want to keep this side from expanding.
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Offline Sevis
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Post #147 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:33 am 
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 7 . X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Don't want to let white get all of the centre, this should grab some. If he cuts, I'll block, and I don't think he'll be able to cut any further.
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Post #148 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:41 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only move really. He's given my move the prestige of being a peep, so I must cut.
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Offline Aphelion
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Post #149 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:44 am 
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If you look at the board, White will never ever get any territory in the center. Its him thats trying to prevent you from getting a center/ big side...
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Post #150 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:13 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White cutting on the left would be mildly problematic, but the ladder doesn't work, and I have the suspicion white will have to do more on the right.


Aphelion:
I trust in topazg's ability to make territory where he really shouldn't be able to.
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Offline topazg
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Post #151 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:10 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 3 . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've started, so I'm sort of committed, and that's fine by me really. I choose this side because Black playing here fixes basically everything.


@Sevis:

You can always play to make more than me, instead of trying to prevent me from making some :)
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Post #152 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:25 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 3 . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I certainly can, but I don't trust it would work. Not sure whether R8 would have been better than offering you the cut, but it also doesn't feel like it's pushing you to the right side.
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Post #153 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:33 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 3 5 . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Atari? Extend :)

@Sevis: That's fair enough - I think one of the biggest keys in Go is not playing your opponent, but the board. If you think you should be able to make points, play for them - it's best not to think "Oh, I won't get it against this person, so I'll do something else instead" most of the time :)
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Post #154 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:24 am 
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 3 5 . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . 6 . 4 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can play S7 whenever, I don't think white is going to take it if it means gote. I think I've got a pretty good defence against a 3-3, too. In any case, I should try to get sente ASAP.

@topazg, I know -- I guess this was a (rather failed) attempt to play safer.
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Post #155 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:19 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X 7 . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 3 5 . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . 6 . 4 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, it was either the atari here, or the other side I was playing for. Both leave forcing aji on the other side, so it's a matter of picking which side I didn't want to leave Black some useful aji. The net is in this case worse than both those alternatives, as it leaves forcing aji on both sides for Black.

The reason I picked this side is that the aji in the corner is more interesting than the right edge :)


Spoiler:

This point in particular:

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[go]$$Wcm59 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X 1 X 7 . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . 2 3 5 . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . 6 . 4 . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #156 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:59 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm66 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oh, hm, not closing off the right could get me into some trouble... But then, so could not playing in a few other places. Going to push along a little, get some influence...
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Post #157 Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:10 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Alive, pretty much anyway.

Rejected moves:

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[go]$$Bcm66 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . c b 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . 1 O a . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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As Magicwand mentioned, the :b52: :w53: exchange resulted in a bad shape for B:
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[go]$$Bm52
$$--------------
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . @ @ @ . . |
$$. @ Y Y . . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . . X O . . |
$$. . . O X . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . |[/go]
Better was to play :b54: directly...
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[go]$$B
$$--------------
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. O . X . . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . 1 X O . . |
$$. . . O X . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . |[/go]
...which would remove the :w3: aji:
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[go]$$W
$$--------------
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O O . . |
$$. O . X . . . |
$$. . . 4 X 2 . |
$$. . 3 X O 1 . |
$$. . . O X . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . |[/go]
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Sevis:
About :b58::
Sevis wrote:
Not sure whether (b) would have been better than offering you the cut,
:b1: was wrong shape; locally, either (a) or (b) would have been better than :b1::
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . O b . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . 1 a X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sevis wrote:
Don't want to let white get all of the centre, this should grab some.
As Aphelion already noted, the situation is the exact opposite:
W has almost nothing there, so it is W who has to prevent B from making a huge center,
not the other way around. But this judgment is not obvious to you right now;
it will take more experience. :study:
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Post #160 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:43 am 
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Very sorry for the delay -- school project got in the way, I should be able to be a good deal more active now.

Yes, I see the error in both of those moves. I was thinking of protecting the side, but it didn't feel big enough. Oh well, I guess I simply should be more careful with those things from now on. Current evaluation:

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[go]$$Bcm66 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . W . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X a . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that that white stone could be separated. Now that I have some strength on the right, it seems like a good idea to use it to pressure white there.

On the other hand, a also seems to be a very big point. White playing S4 would be very painful.

I think I'm going to go with the safe option.


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[go]$$Bcm66 Prisoner Count: :b1: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . X . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O . . X . O . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . X O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O . X X . . . O . . . . X . X 3 . |
$$ | . O X X . O O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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