Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:38 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:10 pm

Loons,

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:56 pm

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:38 am

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Comments later...

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:54 am

Comments, part 1:

My opponent's latest squashes some of my plans in the lower center. It has the defect, as all keimas do, of the possibility of being split. So it makes sense for him to protect the backside of it, around 'a'. Unfortunately for me, playing 'b' is probably good enough for him.

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Subequently, the general scheme that worried me was him making an approach from the upper left - something like this:

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..or this:

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...in which black's natural growth on the upper left transforms his keima from a move with distinct advantages and disadvantages into a purely good move.

In summary, the upper left just became urgent.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:48 pm

Comments, part 2:

Thoughts about his reaction:

I'm assuming that, because of the marked stone, a pincer by black would be out of the question.
I'm also assuming that because of the threat of a double approach, tenuki is not reasonable either:
1) Although they have been capped, my stones in the lower left don't feel threatened. They have a running move at 'c', a slide at 'd', and the connection at 'e'.
2) The invasion at 'f', as previously discussed, is probably bad for him, and I don't think that his recent keima provides enough suport to change that

So the best tenuki would be a bad invasion or gote someplace like 'b'. I think that his best is this:

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A move at 'a' feels too low and passive, so I don't think he'll play it. I'm 90% sure of seeing :b2:

as above.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:07 am

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If I do get sente, however, I will have to decide if any of the 'a' points are larger than this.

Okay, this is fine. It gives me pretty nice shape on the left side, and a decent moyo. I don't think I'm still ahead by two stones worth, but I do feel like I'm still ahead. I was tempted to play F15 to be really greedy, but I figure I ought to be reasonable and just take points that are harder to reduce. Also, if I get a play around N17, which I'd like to aim at ASAP, I can threaten H17 to follow up. As a matter of fact, I would love sente so that I could do something like this:

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k1ndofblue · Post by **k1ndofblue** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:09 am

Bill Spight wrote:"
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Not a criticism of in the game, but this is another approach. It is difficult for White to reply on the 3-3.

I usually aproch from this side as well against 5-4 stone and I have a 4-4 stone facing it. However I usually would play at K3. I like that it impeads the dirction that the 5-4 stone wants to move in as well as working well with the 4-4 stone.

In most games I have played my opponet seems to make a shimari (right or wrong) in the corner with the 5-4 stone which then allows you to get the big point on the right side of R-10. Black seems to be able to build very big very fast.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:51 pm

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A big point, and sente, for again the double approch is threatened. It is more dangerous to him than the invasion with 3 is to me, for I can sacrifice the marked stone to assist the 3-3 invasion, whereas his marked stone is too important to be sacrificed and it has to stay and fight it out.

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:00 am

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Sadly, I can't really be too aggressive here. Playing high or around 'b' doesn't work as well, because of the distance between here and the stones below, as well as the lowness of those stones. So I'll play calmly in the corner here, and aim at something like 'a' to make points later. Notably, the shape of the black stones at the top is not bulletproof, and has some crazy attachment-type aji, which I'll have to read into later. Also, those stones are low and their mothers are ugly. So there. Does it count as trash talk if I insult stones instead of players?

My next priorities are, in alphabetical order:

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Some of those will take some reading, though.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:27 pm

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If he's not going to start a bloodbath, I will. :mrgreen:

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:26 am

To observers:

I think that I have pushed this stage of the game about as far as I can. By 'this stage' I mean the part of the game where I can keep playing sente moves and he responds. Sooner or later he's going to conclude that as the temperature drops, he can tenuki and counterattack.

The most likely candidate is this:

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I can defend with 2 as shown below, but he starts a good moyo with 3:

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Or I can try to suppress the moyo with 2, but I have serious weaknesses at 'a' that I must address:

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So, I have the problem of him attacking my thin position up top, and making territory while doing so. I could patch in gote, but that concedes sente to him without a fight.

I also have the keima that I would like to cut. To do this, I need a position on the back side of it.

Thus, the attachment at D13. There are several ways that it can go. ( I'll show generic diagrams illustrating the general flow. Specific move sequences are just too numerous and have too many branches. )

One possibility is him settling for territory up north, I get a deep invasion while threatening the kiema, and my group has plenty of room to run. One nice side effect of this is that I can partially settle my upper group while threatening to invade his corner.

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Another posibility is that he defends the middle left, and I can get the corner, thereby saving my thin stones up to without a trite gote move:

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That is the general plan, and I regard it as feasible primarily because I get all the ladders in my favor:

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:10 am

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:05 am

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For everyone:

observers:

I was originally going to hane underneath, but then I got greedy. Given my stone at F7 (and my otherwise concentration locally), I fell in love with this move. Let's threaten to capture in a big way, as well as eyeing weaknesses on the topside.

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Something like this looks fine. He could hane underneath instead, but that doesn't seem a ton scarier. He could just leave this here as a probe.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:46 pm

It is one day before the end of the quarter, and I've got lots of government paperwork to deal with. So I'll be gone from the forums for a few days.

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