106. kirby vs topazg

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:28 am

for obs only:

i like white's position below.
black's 3-3 invasion is premature IMO.
white is solid everywhere and black group on left side is a weakness that will cause problem for black later.
white need to play 'a' soon as he has a chance. then he will save one stone in sente and it is a big move for both black and white. maybe he should not play that :W42: or black should lose that hanne and go there first?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . 6 . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . b . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O a . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:50 am

Joaz Banbeck wrote:To obs:
$$Wcm36 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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[go]$$Wcm36 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe Kirby should let him connect...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:57 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:11 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . 9 . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:56 am

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:44 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, I'll admit that this move looks eerily similar to a move that lost me the "flow" in my last game against Magicwand. In that game, I didn't read out the corner status, and it cost me a lot.

This time, though, I have a plan - I promise.

First of all, it is clearly sente against the corner:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 2 1 . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 5 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Sidenote:
By the way, as a side note, I am still glad that I played the last move I selected, but I was hoping that it was sente against the corner in itself - well, it doesn't seem like it was.

For example:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | 9 4 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 6 1 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 7 5 X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | 8 b X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | a X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Doesn't work since a move by white at 'a' can be met with a move by black at 'b'.

Furthermore, while I can dream about this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Hooray for me! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I simply don't have an answer to some of white's other obvious responses:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Where do I play, now? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So I can dabble in other variations, but it just doesn't seem like I can kill black directly right here.

End of sidenote
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Anyway, if I couldn't kill the corner, why did I play a move that threatens to kill the corner? Aren't I beating a dead bush (or is it a dead horse???)?

Well, here's how I see the situation:
1.) I am behind, on solid points by a good margin. If I try to compete for points directly, I will surely lose the race.
2.) He has a weak group in an area where I have strength on the left.
3.) He has just played a single stone as a reduction move on the top.

Based on these observations, I believe that the winning strategy for white in this game is to ignore getting points in a direct fashion, and attack black. The problem is, I need to attack in such a way that I can get future points from the deal.

So how do I attack black? Simply pressing against the black group does not seem like a good strategy:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Why? Because the exchange below strengthens black:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . B B . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . B . . O B . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O B . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black has strength in the marked area, so after the :w1:

exchange, above, there is almost no attack left on the black stones.

Also, this move seems to be trying to make territory with my wall. I do not think that trying to make territory directly is a good strategy, because as I mentioned earlier, I am behind on territory. Plus, with his shoulder-hit reduction, it is hard to make a lot of territory in this position. I do not think that I should try to make territory with a wall. I should try to attack with a wall!

Ergo, what I would like to do is to play a capping move. It feels to me like it is a way to get the "flow". It feels to me like a move that Magicwand would play:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . W . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But can this work? :scratch:

The problem is, black seems to have an escape route, which puts my wall in danger:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X W . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X W . 6 . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . W . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X W . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . W W . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hence, the purpose of my last move. With an exchange, first, against the corner, it seems like I can play the capping move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . 9 . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . 8 . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So that is the "hidden" (obvious?) purpose of the move I just played.

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Future plans:
So let's say things go as expected, and I can get black to retreat from my attacking move. For example, let's say the board position is like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now what? Well, I would like to turn around and then attack the shoulder-hitting stone.

For example:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . 5 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Will this work? I do not know. But I have thought about it a lot, and I know that I must attack to use the stones on this board effectively. White's position calls for attacking - not for blindly surrounding territory. So attacking is what I must do.

It will be interesting to me to see how things unfold, and to see if things happen in an unexpected way.

Let's hope I am victorious. :rambo:

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:56 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Laman · Post by **Laman** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:25 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i can't stop wondering whether Kirby couldn't use this sequence for his goals (after some slight modification to the plan).

however, i am not entirely convinced i would play like white, i might try answering black shoulderhit by L16 and then aim at splitting attack between two resulting black groups

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:55 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:00 am

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:02 am

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . 3 . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:12 am

Hmm. He played an interesting response. Considering the previous strategy that I put forth, it seems to make sense to hane:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X W . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If black responds locally, I can then attack with 'a', as stated.

However, I wonder about his local move. I'm not entirely certain that it secures the safety of his group. It makes me wonder if I can push forward on a local attack as follows:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . 4 X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Of course, he has some forcing moves, such as the atari at the marked intersection, above... But will his group be OK? My wall is pretty strong, still, so maybe I can play aggressively like this.

The question now is, can I profit locally, immediately? If I can, I should cash in. If it will not work, then maybe I should let back and go for a global attack (eg. the hane on the outside)...

Hmm... :scratch:

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:38 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . 4 X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:43 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X 5 O 8 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . 4 X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . O X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . X . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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