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by EdLee Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:18 pm
Loons,
Loons wrote: Would you prefer diagrams to illustrate every passing point?
Maybe not
every passing point, but certainly what you consider the
juicy ones.
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by Loons Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:51 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Kirby Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:25 am
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
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by EdLee Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:18 am
Kirby wrote: I don't see any reason to mix things up much, yet. I'll take some territory here.
This is sensible of Kirby, as the low
stones limit the bottom for much development:
$$Bm11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm11 The "complications" start with B's push-and-cut, which Kirby avoided:
$$B
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by Loons Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:52 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Kirby Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:37 am
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
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by Loons Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:54 pm
I forgot where I was going with this. Second worst problem in correspondence games, to second guessing yourself. Right, I wanted thickness, ideally central. Playing territorial options here are good though, eg.
$$Wcm1 Black is thick - slightly favorable locally.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Black is thick - slightly favorable locally.One possibility, some other but ultimately quite similar options also possible. Numbers-> letters, once it starts hitting letters and the letters go on, there are more options most of which are similar, and my given move order might be a little hazy.
I'm on the fence with whether a counterpincer is okay and whether pushing for thickness is bad and if so for whom. Will decide presently.
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by Loons Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:39 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0(Edit the second);
Are you keen for triggers, or just take everything move by move ? I might prefer staying move-by-move, but in some joseki I can understand the time-benefit of triggers. Also, totally grabbing my own Malkovich rank (though you cannot question-mark the rank field here ..) with an eye to a KGS [?] style rank jump after the game.
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by Kirby Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:02 am
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Triggering is up to you, Loons. I am fine with triggering, but reserve the right to change any black move in the trigger.
My first instinct is to play as below:
$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0But I don’t see much value to stressing the bottom side, since white is low there. So, I will try to take some local profit.
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by Loons Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:05 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Kirby Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:42 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
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by Loons Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:13 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Edit; actually, I'll trigger a little of the joseki. As the letters.
Unhidden.
I believe starting the fight is not normal, but it is a possible option. Also, this trigger will be 9 moves, which fits nicely on one diagram. I further don't want to show my cards in how, if he plays
/'i' at p5 (normal), I play my last moves (quite flexible).
No point not keeping you in the loop. As my last moves go, I am deciding about the abcd exchange; white gets two peeps, but black is taller. I might omit ab and play the uppermost c, or maybe one space to the left directly.
$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Kirby Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:01 pm
I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Anyway, I'll play 'a'.
$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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by Loons Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:06 pm
I believe these joseki moves are at least nominally forced. Feel free to not play one.
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1Edit; If you think it's disingenuous of me to offer a "joseki trigger" you might not be familiar with, you can check this brief of your options;
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by Kirby Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:21 pm
Sure, I'll go with that. It's cool to know that there is a joseki in this position.
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
I considered playing 'a' instead of the marked stone, but his sequence seems better for me because white cannot force as much:
$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm25 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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stones limit the bottom for much development:
/'i' at p5 (normal), I play my last moves (quite flexible).