110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Laman · Post by **Laman** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:05 pm

emerus:

i agree with your feeling about black 23. only thing to worry about is this:

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if white defends this way, his cut at 'a' becomes unpleasant for black, while he still wants to keep sente. but i guess even if black answers and defends the cut with 'b', white still can't feel really safe

after kakari R6 white shouldn't have any serious troubles (though he mustn't become careless about the group)

i don't like black 27, it looks like if black decided to play on all sides, invading white's left area but hurting his own top. we will see how will it go, but i agree with Kirby that it is not a very good move

up to these two moves i believed black has clearly better position, now it is unclear, much depends on upper left

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:51 am

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:49 am

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:20 pm

My sealed move:

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:22 pm

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Did I get it right, Shaddy?

Ok, this feels like the best way to go. I dismissed D10 because White has a reasonable attack against my group if I play there, one which I don't like much for Black:

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While not unmanageable, White is building up strength to reduce the top side severely.

I dismissed F15 as my move because it's not consistent with my move at C12.

Given the difficulty I'm having with choosing my move here, though, I suspect that C12 is at the very least sub-par, more likely an outright fuseki mistake. I'll have to examine it once the game is done.

I've chosen to make the 1-point jump towards the center. I expect Kirby to maintain the attack.

*sigh* Let's weather the storm and see what I can salvage. This doesn't feel too bad, actually, but it feels like I've chosen a hard line of play. It's going to take some thinking on each move.

joppon · Post by **joppon** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:41 pm

observers

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:52 pm

By the way, Marcus, I will think about this move for a little bit. Unfortunately, they blocked L19 at my work, so I can no longer make moves at "lunchtime". :-)

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:37 pm

Not to worry. This game is at the point where we both seem to have a number of decisions ...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:29 pm

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It's a very basic move. I've got to say that I prefer black on this board. I wanted to try something fancier:

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But that will probably draw more weakness in the future.

Magicwand said in another thread, if I cannot formulate a plan to draw a good attack, I shouldn't do it.

Well, I cannot think of a way to turn the game around in one move. So I will patiently play a move, which I think is important. It's a splitting move. I cannot attack black if I am weak. I cannot steal his territory if I am outnumbered.

I simply have to wait for my chance. So here, I am. Waiting for a chance to come back from a board position that I think I am behind in.

Shaddy · Post by **Shaddy** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:22 pm

Marcus, you got it wrong, but I wanted to see a certain trick play.

joppon wrote:observers

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Now I have a ton of potential eyespace on the left, and if white takes it away with another move he's spent two moves to my one there. The corner is now defended, so maybe it's slightly good for white, but that's the nature of trick plays.

cyclops · Post by **cyclops** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:15 pm

Kirby wrote: Unfortunately, they blocked L19 at my work, so I can no longer make moves at "lunchtime".

What happened? They found out you are less productive recently?

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:28 pm

cyclops wrote:
Kirby wrote: Unfortunately, they blocked L19 at my work, so I can no longer make moves at "lunchtime".

What happened? They found out you are less productive recently?

I doubt it. My job is pretty easy. If anything, I wish they'd give me more work - which is another story, which I am somewhat frustrated about...

Anyway, I assume that IT just noticed that the URL was hit pretty frequently, took a look at the site, and added it to their internal list of blocked sites. Incidentally, I can still access the forum at work if I use the "Guest" wifi, but I'd guess it's not a good idea now that they've taken the time to actually block the site on the normal network.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:32 am

Kirby wrote:
cyclops wrote:
Kirby wrote: Unfortunately, they blocked L19 at my work, so I can no longer make moves at "lunchtime".

What happened? They found out you are less productive recently?

I doubt it. My job is pretty easy. If anything, I wish they'd give me more work - which is another story, which I am somewhat frustrated about...

Anyway, I assume that IT just noticed that the URL was hit pretty frequently, took a look at the site, and added it to their internal list of blocked sites. Incidentally, I can still access the forum at work if I use the "Guest" wifi, but I'd guess it's not a good idea now that they've taken the time to actually block the site on the normal network.

Sounds like L19 needs a smartphone friendly interface for posting diagrams/playing Malkovitch games. And then after that...

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:45 pm

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I noticed your comment in the game against Loons where you made a statement about how you felt in this game, so I figured it would be fair to give you an idea of my own mindset on the game. I do feel ok about my position in this game, but the complexity of choices has jumped in the last few moves, something I'd told myself I was going to try and manage better.

So, while I feel alright, the game could quickly get out of my control if I'm not careful.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:20 pm

Doh! I forgot about that nuance of playing two Malkovich games. Glad that we agree that black is ahead, though... I guess

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