105: emerus (3k) vs Mnemonic (8k)

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:07 am

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:59 pm

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Trigger:

If a connection to protect f2, I j3.

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obs:

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I envision this, black can live quite easily in this fashion but a move at A instead of c2 might be better.

With sente, I plan on moving on the right with a probe at 1. Aiming at sacrificing the lone stone for the outside moves at B or C. I feel like I can not get an acceptable result directly moving it out.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:57 pm

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I'll acept the trigger.

Edit:

I just saw the attachment at b2 and it looks very ugly! I had a sequence that looked like ko but actually kill’s me. Need to read more

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Ok, this looks like it works, let's cross our fingers

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emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:05 pm

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:02 pm

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And... there is still a ton of living aji in there:

I was most afraid of:

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If I tenuki, not only will black take the corner, but he will do it in sente and more bad things seem to happen...

So, I think my fixing move is honte and most likely sente. I still want the point at 1.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:01 am

I think I might have something:

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I don't understand your last move. At all!

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:21 am

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I'm holding back on this probe because I think that if he simply extends solidly, then it removes a bit of aji.

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A or B are sort of miai? And if I take B, then my exchange was just outright bad.

Oh, good.

I'll be happy to discuss that later. I could benefit from going over that position again.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:10 pm

This will probably take some time. Sry

Ok. This is an important point in the game because I just saved my huge dragon but now have to pick up the pieces. First things first: a count.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm Counting definite and probable territory $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | C C C C C . . . . . . . . . . . x x x | $$ | C C C C C . . . . . . . . . . . x x x | $$ | C C C C O . . . . . . . . . . . X x x | $$ | C C C O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C C C . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | o o o O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | o o o , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | o o o . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | o o o O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | o o O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X M M | $$ | . . B O . X O . . . . . . . . M M M M | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . M P M M | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X M M M M | $$ | x X . . X X O . O . . . 0 . . X M M M | $$ | x x X x x x X O . . . . . . . M x x x | $$ | x x x x x X . . . . . . . . . M x x x | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

x and o are places that I think are definite territory. Meaning they will surely go to one Player and the other can do nothing to stop it.

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stand for the probable territory that one player will get. White needs one more move to enclose the top left and I'm hoping to kill white’s stone on the bottom right in the upcoming fight.

Counting:
Black: 25 x + 20

+ 35 komi = 80 points
White: 16 o + 26

= 42

Conclusion: The game is still playable (if not going very well) for me! Also I don't really have to worry about invading the upper left. One thing I have to worry about though is killing the

stone. My original plan was to let the stone run out and make territory on both sides. Making territory on the bottom side now seems impossible! And I would probably have to live in the corner which would cost some move with which white can attack my R7 stone. (plus it would cost me 20 points)

It looks like the game is going very well for me but white has a lot of influence so lets count that:

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denote areas where one Player is extremely thick, whereas o and x denote areas where one player has influence. As you can see white has a lot of influence! What’s even worse is that I have two stones within whites area, one of them looking extremely lonely.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:43 pm

Diagram heavy

The top left is a very urgent place so let’s analyze what happens if someone plays there (I've added some stones to the lower half, just an example of what I think could happen). My plan would be to play lightly, maybe sacrifice my stone, and try not to nullify any corner invasion aji. My main focus would be the attachment at H13

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 4 O 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O 5 6 O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . X . X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . X . . . O . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X O O X . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 :wc: is weak now and will hopefully allow me to live/escape on the upper side $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . W , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Another line $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 3 8 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 5 2 4 . . 0 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O 6 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

If I get sente, here are some variations:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Sente 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . 1 , . . . 2 . 4 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Sente 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . 9 7 8 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . 1 5 . 2 0 3 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:50 pm

Take your time if you have a major decision. I'll be playing until Thursday morning then going off the radar for the weekend.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:58 pm

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:01 pm

Yes, it's me again. And no, still no move

Because I looked at a white pincer and came to a satisfying result I though letting white pincer me was no big deal. Looking over my diagrams I don't know how I could have come to that conclusion

Playing first on the upper side is at least 25 points!! I was thinking about doing an analysis about my 3 floating stones in the middle, but I don't think it's necessary anymore. First of all they will be help the fight in the lower right and if I sack them it's only 6 points. Not 25 like the lower right or upper left!

So this is my strategy for the next moves:
1) Kill the stone in my lower left!
2) (close second) get sente to play in the upper right
3) (way, way of) destabilize whites group as much as possible using the aji of K4

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Currently looking at $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . b a . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . d c . . O . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . f e . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a) Kills the white stone outright but is not very likely to entice an response from my opponent
b) Kills the stone and looks kind of sente (but leaves a some aji)
c) Seems to kill the stone and is probably sente. Need to read more!
d) Tries to do too much of nothing. Not looking at it any further!
e) Very complex. Need to read more!
f) Very intriguing and I have to remember this move. But I don't think it corresponds well with the rest of the board

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . O . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the end I decided to go with this move. The only other move I seriously considered was N4 which could have gone something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Pretty good $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . 6 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . 4 3 . . . W . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . 2 1 . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I get sente and I'm halfway certain that

and

kill white’s marked stone. There are some other variations but after 2 I'm fairly certain that I kill the white stone and get sente. The problem comes when white plays this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Disaster $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . 3 X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . W . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . 1 . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . 5 O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I could trade corner for side territory, but only in gote. I get to destabilize whites group a bit but that wasn't my goal. Additionally I now have a new weak group which I have no idea how to handle.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 My move $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . W . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . a . . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is my move and I'm pretty sure it kills

I'm also aiming at (a) which should give me sente (It doesn't kill, but I get to link all my weak group while building enormous influence over the barren right side.) after he protects I'll tenuki to the upper left.

emerus · Post by **emerus** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:58 pm

Uhh, I typed up a post with a few diagrams and internet crashed....

I play k17.

Mnemonic · Post by **Mnemonic** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:35 am

Sorry, I completly missed your move

Will move shortly.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . 2 . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . X X O X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . . O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X O . . . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O , X O O . . X . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . X . . X X O . O . . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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