24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Jonas wrote:@Ara
I really love the youtube idea, but what fancy background are you using with the new sgf-editor? Looks like some kind of bizarre tech-scene

Close enough, it's a drawing of a futuristic city. Sometimes I end up getting sucked in by the artwork :). I've uploaded it here (2240x1280): http://imgur.com/cMdwK.jpg
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Nice game so far, definitely enjoying the youtube commentary. Seems like you are also trying to make the commentary short and simple-ish(definitely feels on purpose, because I still remember the first game you played :)).

Araban wrote:Close enough, it's a drawing of a futuristic city. Sometimes I end up getting sucked in by the artwork :). I've uploaded it here (2240x1280): http://imgur.com/cMdwK.jpg


Off topic:

I did a quick reverse look up since I remember having a few of his wallpapers on my old computer, and found out that Imperial Boy is that artist's name and his official site seems to be http://tksn.web.infoseek.co.jp/
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

Post by Violence »

I think Solch is confused... I can't see his explanations, because for some reason, the links to youtube aren't working for me, but...

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[go]$$c Normal.
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[go]$$c Wha? The reason you can play a move approaching the pincer stone is because you don't think white has a severe follow up on your pincered stone/group. But is that really the case here?
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On another note,I just noticed that we have buttons now for all our custom bbcode. Thoroughly approve.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

Post by Fredrik »

Violence wrote:
I think Solch is confused... I can't see his explanations, because for some reason, the links to youtube aren't working for me, but...

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[go]$$c Normal.
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[go]$$c Normal.
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$c Wha? The reason you can play a move approaching the pincer stone is because you don't think white has a severe follow up on your pincered stone/group. But is that really the case here?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


On another note,I just noticed that we have buttons now for all our custom bbcode. Thoroughly approve.


Actually, I think Solomon is playing fine. A simple pattern search (only including the topside of the board, shows that Solomons counter-pincer is the 2nd preferred move by professionals, with C14 being the most common one (C14 showed 140 games, while Solomons move 52 games. Your one space jump shows 30 games, so it's obviously also a plausible idea.)

One might argue that the pattern search did not include the shape on bottom and that white's position in lowerleft might help in the fight. However, the result of the pattern Solomon picked is that a big fight will happen on the top, thus, I don't think whites position in lowerleft will be crucial in the fight.

I think the fight here is going to be very interesting, where both players will emphasize on getting sente to play on the bottom side which obviously is huge. I guess it's possible that Tabemasu also makes a compromise quickly allowing black to settle on top and take the big point on bottom. So far Solomon's play has been a little bit unorthodox but I believe the game is still perfectly even :)
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Sorry this took so long, I've been quite busy.
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This one is the most obvious move, and seems pretty good.

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[go]$$c I'm guessing he will play this way, and a giant fight will start. I still have to think about what I'm going to do here, but I don't think the result will be bad for me.
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Anyway, I've been pretty busy. I hope to be able to post more regularly from now.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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From Fredrik
Actually, I think Solomon is playing fine. A simple pattern search (only including the topside of the board, shows that Solomons counter-pincer is the 2nd preferred move by professionals, with C14 being the most common one (C14 showed 140 games, while Solomons move 52 games. Your one space jump shows 30 games, so it's obviously also a plausible idea.)

One might argue that the pattern search did not include the shape on bottom and that white's position in lowerleft might help in the fight. However, the result of the pattern Solomon picked is that a big fight will happen on the top, thus, I don't think whites position in lowerleft will be crucial in the fight.

I think the fight here is going to be very interesting, where both players will emphasize on getting sente to play on the bottom side which obviously is huge. I guess it's possible that Tabemasu also makes a compromise quickly allowing black to settle on top and take the big point on bottom. So far Solomon's play has been a little bit unorthodox but I believe the game is still perfectly even :)


Funny enough i've been playing alot of the mini chinese lately so i've studied some of the "anti" responses. And this counter pincer to white's pincer as far as i've understood is not a mistake. Im basing this on watching alot of pro games when this pattern occurs and one of guo juans lectures where she gives this counter pincer as an response and of course she backs it up with games/variations.

I surely hope that it's not an mistake since i think it's an interesting response and im playing it alot in my own games :)
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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[go]$$c Move 13
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

Post by Chew Terr »

Araban:
If your opponent's move is forced, what do you plan to do next?
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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Chew Terr wrote:Araban:
If your opponent's move is forced, what do you plan to do next?

After D17, the next thing to do is cut off J16 from his friends, which I can do by playing G15. White won't let me do that so easily, so a fight will ensue.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

Post by SpongeBob »

Bill, you might as well unhide your last post, no?

It would be interesting what Tabemasu thinks about your comment.
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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SpongeBob wrote:Bill, you might as well unhide your last post, no?

It would be interesting what Tabemasu thinks about your comment.


OK, my last two comments unhidden. :)
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Re: Tabemasu vs. Araban : Malkovich #24

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[go]$$c Move 13
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My move is pretty much forced, if I let him into the corner it's too easy for him.

As for Bill's comment, I did actually consider the marked stone, but I didn't like the result.

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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . 1 2 . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Continuing... Next, black might play at 'a' or 'b'. It's too easy for black to settle and take a big point. I might consider not playing at 2 and playing at 'c' instead, but I'm not sure what white gained from the corner exchange.

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[go]$$c
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I'm still thinking about what to do here, not sure yet...

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[go]$$c
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Please give me some feedback on my comments. Also, is there any way to number the moves past 10? For longer variations I read it's going to be annoying to have so many diagrams.
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Post by zinger »

Also, is there any way to number the moves past 10? For longer variations I read it's going to be annoying to have so many diagrams.


You could try making an SGF and using the embedded EidoGO.
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[go]$$c Move 15
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$c Move 16
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$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After thinking for a while, I decided to go with my original plan.


This is what I expect to happen, this way I get to make a large framework and can be satisfied.
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[go]$$c
$$---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . 3 . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 O 1 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



This is also possible, but it feels very submissive. There isn't as much aji, but black feels flat and I don't think he can be satisfied. Also note that if he omits 3 then I will play 3 right away, the fight is very hard for black.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . 1 3 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



This is another variation I considered. This is the greediest way for black to play, but the aji is horrible...
For example, later I can play at 'a', if he plays at 'b' I can play through 'i', clearly black is not satisfied.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . e f . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X c d . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . O b . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X h 3 a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 O 1 g . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . i . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



In conclusion, I think the first variation is the best for black, he isn't flat, and the aji is still manageable. If you have any specific questions about the game, please don't hesitate to ask, I can go into more detail about certain things if you want.
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