114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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Aside from the weaknesses at a and b, this fight makes me uncomfortable... With tengen, I feel like one slip up will be too costly.

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Again, this group feels strong, but it's very easy to grab forcing moves to make it uncomfortable. I don't even have the lower left corner, and if the middle bottom group gets stronger, I have invasion points that NeoNemesis will be more than happy to stab me in.

I wanted to play honte so that when I fight, I won't have a liability, and I can fight on my own terms, which is what I intend to do by attacking this one stone.
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see previous comment
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I think he'll try to make a shape that makes it hard for me to develop thickness. Without decent height, it becomes difficult to attack this one stone.

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$$ | . . . X X . . 3 4 , 0 . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . 5 O . X . . X X O O O . |
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The cap is quite interesting too. I think cutting inward doesn't feel right... this result isn't what I'm looking for.

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$$ | . . O O X . . . O . B . . X X O O O . |
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But after here, I think I like the fighting chances of black. Because I added a move, I can now use the added strength of my marked stone to fight more severely, without having to worry about suddenly coming under counterattack.

A lot of times, things are deceptively strong or weak. Even though the group on the right side was the result of a 3/3 invasion, so the first instinct of players is to consider it as strong, it can easily become a liability if fighting takes place nearby. With the added move, I feel a lot more comfortable.

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Another more steady way, I think this gives him more opportunities to outplay and outfight me, I want to minimize that. He has much more room for aji and tricks, not to mention that I have to push from behind twice to give him more territory in that way.

I think the cap is an inevitable move. Hopefully I can get something good out of it.

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Another move that is worth looking at, I think.

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The bottom side becomes very overconcentrated if I go along with his plan, and my group ends up just being a lump of unimportant crap lying around the board. Definitely not what I want.

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This fight gets really complicated too. Maybe...

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$$ | . 2 1 X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 3 W O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
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$$ | . O X X X 5 1 2 . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X . 4 . O . X . . X X O O O . |
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I've strengthened his corner, but I think this fight looks a lot better for me now. The lower side is still not as efficient as I'd like though, with his two corners, he gets a decent amount of territory this way, and I have a good feeling that white will get a good amount of influence and the first move in the top right. Maybe this is unavoidable.

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$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
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All in all, an interesting situation.

I guess this is one of the reason why I'm weak, I can't instantly see the correct way to attack this stone perfectly. It's not intuitive, and my meager reading doesn't really get me anywhere. I guess I'll just use my best guesses and hope for the best here.

And yeah, I did just post a lengthy discussion of diagrams, mostly because unlike the Big Brother Malkoviches, and my games with Magicwand, which were for fun(and I guess pride, with Magicwand), I am fully aware that NeoNemesis is probably going to murder me without much trouble, and I so I might as well try to learn what I can.

So that's my two cents on this position.

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Clearly, he'll do this just to mess with me though.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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to violence and others:
What do you think about this:


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . W . . 3 . X X O O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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Observers:

I would think about playing like this:
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$$ | . 6 1 X . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 8 W O X 3 5 . O . X . . X X O O O . |
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On the other hand, I would have blocked from the corner anyway. White may be able to get a solid group on the lower side, but Black would not have any weak groups either---and he would have the corner.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

Post by Puppycakes »

Jedo wrote:to violence and others:
What do you think about this:


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . W . . 3 . X X O O O . |
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That's what I would have played.

I think that Violence is too worried about Neonemesis' reading ability. I mean, not that Neonemesis doesn't deserve the respect. I believe that he does, but I don't like changing how you'd play based off of the fear of what your opponent might do. Instead, read to the best of your ability and fight it out and then if you get a lead, maybe you can play a bit more solid. But Violence's play looks strangely fearful. My ego always tell me to treat my opponent like an equal and make them prove their strength and then when they punishe you for your mistakes, you might lose, but you'll understand what can happen better and you'll learn from the situation.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

Post by Shaddy »

Jedo wrote:to violence and others:
What do you think about this:


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . W . . 3 . X X O O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Disclaimer: my opinion, which may or may not be off from tiredness and a lack of recent games.

My eyes don't like it. Black's given away his base for an incomplete corner that's going to get invaded later and a white group he can't attack very strongly because of tengen. Even if Black manages to build thickness, the white group on the right won't be an easy target either. I feel like Violence's move is the only move- if you want to fight, you should be thick first, the reading ability of your opponent doesn't matter.

Puppycakes wrote:That's what I would have played.

I think that Violence is too worried about Neonemesis' reading ability. I mean, not that Neonemesis doesn't deserve the respect. I believe that he does, but I don't like changing how you'd play based off of the fear of what your opponent might do. Instead, read to the best of your ability and fight it out and then if you get a lead, maybe you can play a bit more solid. But Violence's play looks strangely fearful. My ego always tell me to treat my opponent like an equal and make them prove their strength and then when they punishe you for your mistakes, you might lose, but you'll understand what can happen better and you'll learn from the situation.

What you see as fear, I see as thick play. Good things (read: advantages in fighting) come to those who play solid.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

Post by CSamurai »

Jedo wrote:to violence and others:
What do you think about this:


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . W . . 3 . X X O O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to agree with Shaddy here. For one, an exploitable, but not immediate weakness rests here..

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 5 . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . W . . 3 . X X O O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This fight doesn't favour black, as white is mostly settled all over. Black likely won't die, but he won't gain much out of this fight, where as white will push the game in his direction.

This is exactly the sort of fight I start all the time as black, but, observing, I can confidently say, there's not much profit in 4.

I recently heard a strong go player at my club say 'Don't throw away territory for aji.'

It's good advice, that I've been trying to follow more clearly. In giving up the base here, black's signing on for very little material, gain, and some eventual possible aji.

I think Violence's move was correct.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

Post by Puppycakes »

I wasn't saying that Violence's move is bad really. I mean, I think that I prefer something else in the position, but I was more referring to the tone of his posts. He's making it sounds like he's terrified of what's going to happen in this game which is quite different than what I'd expect. Anyhow, I don't like blacks' three stones right now. To me, I think that white's lone stone looks like it has too much aji and his three black stones are too heavy. I think that Harleqin's suggestion of the 3-3 invasion looks promising in some ways. I mean, right now black has sente, but I feel that the 3-3 invasion would be too early right now.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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To observers:
Violence wrote:...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...


Does that mean that Violence is considering the one space jump?

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$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems the only move to me:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . B . . . . . X . X X . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . O . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Well, Jedo, aside from the fact that I really feel like NeoNemesis is going to rip apart my group there if I push him toward it(it's just a feeling based on many games of getting destroyed after feeling too safe about my groups), the cap... really doesn't do much to white. There's no real pressure on white to do anything. If white were a normal person, white could even just jump out toward tengen, and it will still aim at an invasion in the lower left. I just strongly feel that it wasn't the right direction, for many reasons.

Again, I really just want to fight him on my terms here. The key is how he can handle this attack.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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There's still aji for the stone
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Depending on where black ataris... if he ataris from the top
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It's very uncertain but white should be able to squeeze life due to L2, but it certainly seems very difficult.Black gets kinda thick which defeats the purpose of the tengen stone. Moving immediately will definitely be bad for white.

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There's a lot of variations. This is one, other few I read out involves me taking a ponnuki though. I think black will probably choose to atari from above. I like the fights if he ataris from below for me due to tengen.

I'm at work though, I need more time to read out the variations for when he ataris from the top.

There's also aji here:
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Which is complicated, but i think i should be able to live anyway. I need to consider some more before I make another move down here. Either way. I think it's best to take the biggest move now and worry about the bottom later.

If he manages to save all aji later, I can still get a large yose move at e2 in sente
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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Don't you just hate it when the stronger player tenukis and it makes so much sense?

That tengen stone just kinda sits there, like a fist. You don't know when it's going to punch you, but you know it's going to punch you.
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Re: 114: Violence vs NeoNemesis

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I have the tengen stone so I need to be more aggressive with some sort of pincer here. Also, I think i'm a little behind.
Black has about 29 pts, white only has like 7 pts lower left, 4 points lower right, i count star on top left as ~9 pts, with komi 6.5 about 26.5 total. Of course, i'd take taht with a grain of salt since My positional analysis is usually pretty bad. I'm probably more behind than that.
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