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by cdybeijing Mon May 10, 2010 2:11 am
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The following sequence arises from the main variation of the 3-3 invasion inside the 4-4 hoshi stone.
After black 1, if white ignores by playing 2, what is the best sequence of play locally for black?
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by Magicwand Mon May 10, 2010 2:14 am
tenuki!
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by Solomon Mon May 10, 2010 2:20 am
Well I can guarantee you that the White corner can't be killed. The best for Black is simply the T14-T16 exchange, but this is just small endgame.
BUT...
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis is a different story. If Black has T13 and it's his turn, then White's corner can be killed.
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by DrStraw Mon May 10, 2010 7:20 am
The original question is whether the 3-3 invasion can be killed. The answer is yes, as long as there is sufficient outside thickness. Black must chase white out into the middle with a move at S16. But this is risky unless black is absolutely certain that white cannot live by escaping.
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by Harleqin Mon May 10, 2010 7:52 am
The turning at
is not sente against the corner. This is actually the reason that White adds another crawl on the second line.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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by Magicwand Mon May 10, 2010 8:36 am
Araban wrote: Well I can guarantee you that the White corner can't be killed. The best for Black is simply the T14-T16 exchange, but this is just small endgame.
BUT...
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis is a different story. If Black has T13 and it's his turn, then White's corner can be killed.
can you show me how you can kill this group?
"The more we think we know about Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
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by Solomon Mon May 10, 2010 8:46 am
Magicwand wrote: Araban wrote: Well I can guarantee you that the White corner can't be killed. The best for Black is simply the T14-T16 exchange, but this is just small endgame.
BUT...
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis is a different story. If Black has T13 and it's his turn, then White's corner can be killed.
can you show me how you can kill this group?
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by Magicwand Mon May 10, 2010 9:33 am
Araban wrote: Magicwand wrote: Araban wrote: Well I can guarantee you that the White corner can't be killed. The best for Black is simply the T14-T16 exchange, but this is just small endgame.
BUT...
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis is a different story. If Black has T13 and it's his turn, then White's corner can be killed.
can you show me how you can kill this group?
really? i belive you are wrong on this. let me know if i missed something.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc
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by oren Mon May 10, 2010 10:13 am
Magicwand wrote:
really? i belive you are wrong on this. let me know if i missed something.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc
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by Darrell Mon May 10, 2010 10:34 am
Magicwand wrote:
really? i belive you are wrong on this. let me know if i missed something.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc
I thought the same thing, however after white captures a and b are miai:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc
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by amnal Mon May 10, 2010 11:01 am
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis 5 is better.
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by oren Mon May 10, 2010 11:41 am
Thanks, Darrell. Should have seen that.
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by Solomon Mon May 10, 2010 2:03 pm
Magicwand wrote:
really? i belive you are wrong on this. let me know if i missed something.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcedit: amnal got it as well.
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by unkx80 Mon May 10, 2010 2:15 pm
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcThis kills as well.
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by Magicwand Mon May 10, 2010 4:09 pm
Araban wrote: Magicwand wrote:
really? i belive you are wrong on this. let me know if i missed something.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcedit: amnal got it as well.
thank you very much..
i just noticed something funny about your note.
your handwriting is same as mine.
i thought i was looking at my notes from college.
did you notice that all mathmaticians have bad handwriting and notes?
"The more we think we know about Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
is not sente against the corner. This is actually the reason that White adds another crawl on the second line.
