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Offline zinger
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #101 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:51 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I previously considered his move and it is not threatening to me. He is trying to live in sente. I hope to prevent that.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #102 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:52 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . W . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Harleqin
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #103 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:52 am 
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I am a bit surprised that Black did not consider the ladder:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 2 O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . 3 O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If White now cuts below :w2:, Black can simply protect the corner, while if White glides into the corner, Black protects at 'a'. I believe that this is quite bad for White.

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Offline zinger
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Post #104 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:58 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X 1 X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still don't think he can make unconditional life in sente.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #105 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:00 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #106 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:07 am 
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i got what i wanted so far.
i am attacking black dragon.
i am not being attacked.

all i need is a little edge that will give me sente or points.
below is too thin for white. but possible variation.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 1 O 2 O O . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . 3 O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


below variation would be nice..but i dont think it will happen....
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . 2 . O . O O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline zinger
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Post #107 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:32 am 
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No move yet, just some thinking.

I am sorely tempted to cut, but I must carefully evaluate his threat:

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[go]$$c white's threat
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 4 , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . 3 . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can black fight his way out? I must think about this a while before I play.

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Offline topazg
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Post #108 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:36 am 
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Can anyone tell me why that bottom isn't unconditionally alive for Black? I can see sequences that force him to let go of a stone or two if White plays locally first, but I can't find a sequence where Black just dies if he cannot run out to the middle - two internal eyes seem guaranteed one way or the other regardless?
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Post #109 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:06 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think white's threat was too strong. I must move out with the right side group.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #110 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:33 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #111 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:55 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Weak groups are still the focus of this game. I outflank his with mine. This also casts some influence over the left side.

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Post #112 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:24 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

okok..he wants to fight.
when you attack weak group one must be careful..they might counter attack..

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Post #113 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:45 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X 2 O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 3 . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


meh, this is looking worse as I go. I am having to make so many concessions to the weakness of my bottom group. I really wish now that I had just played at N4 instead of P2 when I first invaded the bottom. My reading was that I could live unconditionally, but that was wrong, and I have been paying for it and will keep on doing so. grrrr

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #114 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:48 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

that was something i didnt expect

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 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #115 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:49 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


... and the brawl continues. No fear! The worst than can happen is I lose a game of Go.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Post #116 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 9:55 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . W . X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i have to get this move in without much damage. then i will be ok...
middle white is extreamly thin but i think they will be ok. (not really sure)

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Post #117 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:16 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am completely baffled now, I don't know what to do. It's too complicated and I can't see what will happen. Ususally when I get that feeling I end up resigning within 20 moves or so :sad:

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Post #118 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:12 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O W X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #119 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:14 am 
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White's centre around M12 is too thin.

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Post #120 Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:30 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . O . X O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . X X X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Must do this else or else no point in the last move.

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