Thanks, Kirby!Kirby wrote:What web browser are you using? If there's a problem with the diagrams, I can investigate it, provided I can reproduce the issue.Bill Spight wrote:Why am I seeing no diagrams in this thread?
Local problem solved.
How to respond to this attack?
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
Local problem solved.
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Visualize whirled peas.
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
I'm not sure that even Araban's defense is adequate, at least not from the most recent diagram:Kirby wrote:I think the others are correct that you should try to avoid the situation in the first place. But if you did get into the situation, I think that Araban's answer is good:...
But at least you've cut him off from going "further south": ...
My current favorite for minimizing loss is this:
Can anyone else do better?
Note to OP: I think that Kirby's "back up until you can build a defence" theory does have merit, even if it does not generate optimal play in this particular situation.
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
Don't think yours is not any better:Joaz Banbeck wrote:I'm not sure that even Araban's defense is adequate, at least not from the most recent diagram:Kirby wrote:I think the others are correct that you should try to avoid the situation in the first place. But if you did get into the situation, I think that Araban's answer is good:...
But at least you've cut him off from going "further south": ...
My current favorite for minimizing loss is this:
Can anyone else do better?
Note to OP: I think that Kirby's "back up until you can build a defence" theory does have merit, even if it does not generate optimal play in this particular situation.
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
How about this?
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Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
I think that the 
that is found by incrementally moving back is correct, but maybe my followup defense gave black some extra points (though, I would not try to cut off the stone as in Joaz's variation, as it loses the stones). I didn't really think much about that part.
I like Dusk Eagle's followup to the best if we can get to that end position, as it looks like it leaves white with the most points.
However, black might do this: So if you don't like this, maybe you can simply go with Araban's followup.
Either way, I think that the found by moving incrementally back will work in this situation.
that is found by incrementally moving back is correct, but maybe my followup defense gave black some extra points (though, I would not try to cut off the stone as in Joaz's variation, as it loses the stones). I didn't really think much about that part. I like Dusk Eagle's followup to
the best if we can get to that end position, as it looks like it leaves white with the most points.However, black might do this: So if you don't like this, maybe you can simply go with Araban's followup.
Either way, I think that the
found by moving incrementally back will work in this situation.be immersed
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
Unless I'm missing something (not hard to do at my level!), it looks like White is getting to play two moves elsewhere while Black is sneaking in, and loses only 10 or 12 points as a result, assuming he doesn't really screw it up.
Wouldn't that generally be a good trade, except for fairly near the end of the game?
Paul
Wouldn't that generally be a good trade, except for fairly near the end of the game?
Paul
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Re: How to respond to this attack?
It is not quite that simple, for black destroys 10-12 points and then exits with sente, so white really only gets one uncontested move elsewhere.yawnguy wrote:Unless I'm missing something (not hard to do at my level!), it looks like White is getting to play two moves elsewhere while Black is sneaking in, and loses only 10 or 12 points as a result, assuming he doesn't really screw it up.
Wouldn't that generally be a good trade, except for fairly near the end of the game?...
But, yes, generally early in the game ignoring the invasion would be good, whereas late in the game the best play is to prevent it.
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