Where to play next? Transition from Fuseki to Middlegame

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Re: Where to play next? Transition from Fuseki to Middlegame

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Just got back from university and saw all the new replies! :D

Magicwand wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O X . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . C , X . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:w1: looks good but does it have answer for black invasion at "a"?
my choice was "b"

I think, you have a point there. The shoulderhit seems to reduce the not-yet-finished moyo at exactly the right time. I missed it in the game but seeing it now, I feel even worse about white's situation in the original diagramme as it seems there really aren't that much opportunities for white to upset blacks positions on the board.

@ mitsun: That is an interesting idea, taking the top left and lower left corner and maybe then reduce the left side around the area Bill Spight suggested. I'm really bad at estimating how the score is, so I can't really say if it was enough for white or not. But I have a good feeling about that. :)

Definitely, my moves following the original diagramme were far more aggressive (and crude :oops: ) than any moves suggested yet. My opponent answered my next move, E14, with F6, then I invaded at B11. ^^; I know it is too aggressive (although it would have worked had I not made a mistake), but that seems to be what I tend to become when I'm in a tight spot and/or don't know what to do next. Definitely have to work on that (as well as estimating the score and a million other things :D ) as soon as possible and you guys gave me some good ideas. Thank you! :)
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Re: Where to play next? Transition from Fuseki to Middlegame

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Ember wrote:@ unkx80: Wow, that was quick, thank you for your reply, unkx80! :)


FYI, I did not spend a lot of time thinking about this move and the other suggested moves I suggested. It's intuition.
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Re: Where to play next? Transition from Fuseki to Middlegame

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Bill Spight wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O X . . . W . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . C , X . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . b X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


unkx80's plan is good. :) In addition, there are a number of good places to play. I have marked some of them. There are other places on the left side. The one I marked is a probe, which leaves some aji behind. :w1: is the famous double knight's move, which the proverb says not to let get away. :)


Your :w1: is also good, but I think it seems a bit loose. It leaves no followup on the upper edge. On the other hand, it would be more difficult to ignore white a, because the subsequent hane at b is - uh - ouch. This exploits the aji left behind by the :ec: stone.
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