Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Thu May 19, 2011 10:05 am
$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
He gets sente, but I'm glad to have gotten the marked stone in:
$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
Chew Terr
Gosei
Posts: 2060 Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pmRank: KGS 3kGD Posts: 264KGS: ChewLocation: TexasHas thanked: 546 times Been thanked: 172 times
Contact:
Post
by Chew Terr Thu May 19, 2011 11:32 am
$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
I'm taking a bit of a risk here, not solidly killing O3, and leaving some aji in the top left. However, this is such a huge area of the board that I feel like I probably ought to take it. Obviously it works with my wall to the right, if my wall isn't punished too harshly. I imagine that Kirby will either extend up the left to continue taking massive amounts of points, or he will shoulder hit M3 as a reduction, or he will try to escape with O3. If he plays on the left, I will work on building the bottom. If he shoulder hits, I will probably try to use it to remove the aji of O3. If he activates O3, I will try to chase and keep him weak, ideally while claiming points on bottom.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Laman
Lives in gote
Posts: 655 Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 10:24 pmRank: 1d KGSGD Posts: 0KGS: LamanLocation: CzechiaHas thanked: 29 times Been thanked: 41 times
Contact:
Post
by Laman Thu May 19, 2011 11:49 am
Chew Terr wrote: I'm taking a bit of a risk here, not solidly killing O3, and leaving some aji in the top left. However, this is such a huge area of the board that I feel like I probably ought to take it. Obviously it works with my wall to the right, if my wall isn't punished too harshly. I imagine that Kirby will either extend up the left to continue taking massive amounts of points, or he will shoulder hit M3 as a reduction, or he will try to escape with O3. If he plays on the left, I will work on building the bottom. If he shoulder hits, I will probably try to use it to remove the aji of O3. If he activates O3, I will try to chase and keep him weak, ideally while claiming points on bottom.
actually, this common shape is usually considered strong enough so that you don't have to immediately remove black stone's aji, so i wouldn't worry about white's wall very much
$$B31 Diagram 48-1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B31 Diagram 48-1
Spilling gasoline feels good.
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Thu May 19, 2011 11:55 am
be immersed
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Fri May 20, 2011 9:34 am
$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
emerus
Lives in gote
Posts: 577 Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:28 pmRank: Fox Tygem 6dGD Posts: 0KGS: emerusTygem: emerusOGS: emerusHas thanked: 22 times Been thanked: 36 times
Post
by emerus Sat May 21, 2011 12:15 pm
open comment: (I'm fairly certain this variation can't appear anymore o.o)
$$Bcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1Are you not worried about a ladder breaker;
. It might be a good reason for the variation you played.
yithril
Lives in gote
Posts: 350 Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:11 amRank: 4 danGD Posts: 0Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 33 times
Post
by yithril Sat May 21, 2011 4:22 pm
I'm interested to see White's next move.
Nein Mann, ich will noch nicht gehen, ich will noch 'n bisschen tanzen.
Chew Terr
Gosei
Posts: 2060 Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pmRank: KGS 3kGD Posts: 264KGS: ChewLocation: TexasHas thanked: 546 times Been thanked: 172 times
Contact:
Post
by Chew Terr Mon May 23, 2011 9:28 am
$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Sorry for the delay, had a lot of life-stuff this weekend. Similarly, I'm out of town for a funeral between Wednesday and Sunday, so I'll be incommunicado in that gap.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Mon May 23, 2011 2:13 pm
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
Chew Terr
Gosei
Posts: 2060 Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pmRank: KGS 3kGD Posts: 264KGS: ChewLocation: TexasHas thanked: 546 times Been thanked: 172 times
Contact:
Post
by Chew Terr Mon May 23, 2011 2:33 pm
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0Hey, that's the point <I> wanted...~
Here, I feel like Bill would tell me that if a wall is truly thick, it can ignore small pressures against it. As a result, I'm going to try to take sente to press back. If black ataris my stone at C18, I can atari at D12, and be glad of it. If he responds, then this move was good sente (seemingly not burning too worthy of aji), and I can look at other areas. I'm considering either a shoulder hit on the left low stone or a move at one of the several boudaries of frameworks. F7 or O13 look particularly juicy, as they're glancing at some fairly reasonable invasions. For example, after O13, I have R16, which I can follow up with R13. That'll need some more reading
(as always), but it looks like it might have potential.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Mon May 23, 2011 4:34 pm
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
Chew Terr
Gosei
Posts: 2060 Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:45 pmRank: KGS 3kGD Posts: 264KGS: ChewLocation: TexasHas thanked: 546 times Been thanked: 172 times
Contact:
Post
by Chew Terr Tue May 24, 2011 1:40 pm
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
On a conference call, so I can't comment too fully. However, I just like this too well to pass on. I have influence above and below, and this gives me some options on the left. Or rather, it gives Kirby some options about what to give me. Either he tries to fight it and makes his cutting stones heavy (in which case I'll try to get some territory from chasing), he can wall me out of the left, in which case I may get to expand with something like E7/F7, or he can build the bottom left, in which case I split and reduce the left side. I expect C11 next, as it threatens to cut off my stones, saving his cutting stones, but I'm willing to leave that aji and connect afterwards, in order to get 48 where it is. 48 gets me a bit further south, helping me build the wall I want. I kind of feel like my opponent should have kept simple, instead of taking the double-hane.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
yithril
Lives in gote
Posts: 350 Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:11 amRank: 4 danGD Posts: 0Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 33 times
Post
by yithril Tue May 24, 2011 7:03 pm
@Chew
@ Kirby
@ obs
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0I think 46 is better shape as it threatens a or b later. It's not good aji for black's lower left group.
Nein Mann, ich will noch nicht gehen, ich will noch 'n bisschen tanzen.
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Wed May 25, 2011 3:38 am
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0or
$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
be immersed
Kirby
Honinbo
Posts: 9553 Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 pmGD Posts: 0KGS: KirbyTygem: 커비라고해Has thanked: 1583 times Been thanked: 1707 times
Post
by Kirby Wed May 25, 2011 3:39 am
be immersed
. It might be a good reason for the variation you played.
(as always), but it looks like it might have potential.