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Post #181 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:57 pm 
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Looking at this game for the first time... Isn't black waaaay behind? Where are his points?


Umm, yeah :P That's why Black has to play something drastic to wrench the balance of power back in his favor. White can ignore this.

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Post #182 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:34 pm 
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . 8 X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:cool:

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Post #183 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:51 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . 9 |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here's my current plan:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Slowly applying pressure on this group ... once I squeeze this group as far as I can, I will be looking to start playing around the upper left to see if I can make some interesting cuts.

For those who are wondering why my plan doesn't complete the monkey jump sequence ... note that taking that lone stone is maybe a 4-point gote move for White. It's far too early for White to play it, and if White does play it (either because Kirby feels too pressured, or because he feels over-confident) I can use sente to continue to try and wrest the game away from Kirby.

Bear in mind, folks, that I am nowhere near Magicwand's level ... it's unlikely that I will outmaneuver Kirby with complications ... but I've got to try at least for a little bit. :mrgreen:

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Post #184 Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:10 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #185 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:49 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


BAM! .. Let's see what kind of mess I can make of this game. :)

Once this sequence is complete, my next thought is the peep in the upper left:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O ? ? ? |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . ? 1 ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X ? ? ? ? |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #186 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:55 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's wait for a chance...

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Post #187 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:57 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here goes ...

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Post #188 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:12 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X 4 . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What's he gonna do? If he finds something, it should be fun to play out. :)

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Post #189 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 1:42 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O 5 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No, Kirby, don't take those big points! I want a chance for a KO comeback! :mrgreen:

Seriously, I can't take the time to solidify on the bottom right now ... I need to threaten so much more than that if I'm going to have any chance at this ...

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Post #190 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:20 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He'll probably try to kill the right or something. I'm not that worried.

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Post #191 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:27 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . 7 . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time for the peep. Gotta make enough aji to attack multiple groups.

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Post #192 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:34 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O 8 O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No problem. I've already read this.

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Post #193 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:42 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . . 9 X . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Aiming for:

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[go]$$Bcm99 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . 4 O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . 2 1 X . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . 3 O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Floating white stones to attack. Maybe I can salvage at least SOME points here.

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Post #194 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:11 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . 0 X X . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, I think I made a reading mistake. I had read this early on in the game, but it seems like I misread. I might lose a few points. I think I'll be OK, though.

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Post #195 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . 1 O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #196 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:59 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O 2 X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X 3 . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . 1 O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Please don't hurt me... *duck*

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Post #197 Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:48 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, so my reading sucks. :D New plan:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O 2 X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X 3 . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . 1 O O O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O 4 . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . 7 . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #198 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 7:45 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm. I still think there's stuff he can do in the corner, which I hadn't thought about until recently:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 O O a 9 c . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . 8 6 4 3 X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . 1 O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . 2 O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I play 'a' to save the stones, he can make a ko with 'b' (then I would play 'c'). Because of this, I'd probably end up sacrificing the two stones.

But apparently he doesn't see this right now. Either that, or he is waiting until later to play it. It's times like these where I feel I should play honestly, but I am tempted to pretend like I don't see anything since he hasn't taken advantage of the situation, yet.

I don't like to play that way. But there's also another thing to consider: Even if he does see the sequence I do, it might be bigger to help out my center stones, as it becomes messy if white plays like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O B . . . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I think the thing to do is to ignore the corner - in the worse case, I'll sacrifice the two stones - and work on helping out my center stones.

Once I get sente, if he still hasn't taken advantage of the corner, I'll come back and save it.

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Post #199 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:24 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 7 . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Have I read everything out? Far from it. However, this feels like the best way to complicate matters.

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Post #200 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:29 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 8 . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered this move and also this one:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X W . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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